Not EVERYBODY on here has trad values

[Biggie Hoffman]

Traditional values, to me anyway, means more then just the way we choose to hunt. It's a higher moral committment as well in everything we do. ie; a man's word is his bond etc.

I've listed  several things on the classifieds over the years and have had no problems up until the last month or so. Two different times I've had guys say "I'LL TAKE IT" So, you post it as sold and box it up, ready to ship. The 1st sign is, "I'm out of town and will pay for them MOnday when I get back" Red flag! He still hasn't paid.

One guy finally said he couldn't afford them. OK, so WHY did he say he'd take them to begin with? Sad story? Car broke down? Wife said no way? C'mon guys! If you say you want something, follow through. YOUR WORD IS YOUR BOND!

[3Under]

Amen!  

[Breakfast Boy]

Amen Biggie!  I think some guys hit the trigger and say they'll take it before discussing it with the boss (wife).

[BWD]

Yep, sometimes when you let your mouth overload...you just gotta eat cream of nothing soup for a while, and pay up.

[lpcjon2]

Those are the ones you need to report to the mods,you may not be the first that they did it to. They may be hoping for a more gullible person who would trust them and ship on trust.

Obsessive Compulsive (purchase) Disorder does seem to often be a part of trad archery, when it comes to buying stuff and wanting stuff.  There was a time when I had thirty bows, two of everything kind of the Noah's ark of bows. That is OCD. Right now I just know I gotta get a new bow, don't have a clue why, I just gotta.

[Stephen S]

Couldn't agree more!!!!!

[ksbowman]

Biggie, I have had the same action out of a guy who told me I'll take it then didn't answer my pms. When I advertise something anymore and he responds I don't consider him a legitiment buyer and wait til my item sells then contact him to say it's sold. I haven't had any problems from others although some may wait til payday to pay.

[Eric Krewson]

It does chap ones behind to get stiffed by someone who has no honor.

I had a guy from Birmingham order a bow from me. The first bow I made broke just about the time I finished it, the next came in under poundage, the third was as perfect as an osage bow could be.

I had a month into the project, operate on a handshake and don't take deposits when I emailed him to tell him his bow was ready, no response.
More emails, no response, phone calls, no response. He finally picked up the phone and told me "a bunch of stuff came up, I am no longer interested in a bow". Boy, did I see RED, first and only time I have been stiffed by a customer.

Being a nice guy I let him off the hook, with steam rolling out my ears of course. To this day I can get mad about his total lack of honor and commitment, probably not a 100% trad guy and definitely didn't have the personal values I see in every other trad shooter I meet.

[Bladepeek]

Eric, I think a lot of us have had that type of experience. I work the same way; when its done I contact the person who ordered it. I send it. If it meets his expectations, he pays me. I've had very few returns. Don't change the way you operate. Remember that 99.9% of us do rely on a handshake, physical or verbal. Like the rotten apple you find once in a while, you throw it away and enjoy the others. I always figure if I get stiffed on an order, I can probably sell the item for nearly as much, or possibly more, to someone else.

This "stiffee", however, remembers the "stiffer"'s name a long, long time.

[buckster]

Well said Biggie!!!

[Bjorn]

My check is in the mail-honest!!  

[Bowwild]

I'm just a consumer. I've bought, traded, and sold a few curves here. So far my experiences have been top-notch!

[Joeabowhunter]

Sorry to hear that.  Bad deals or lack of integrity, dishonesty call it what you want is a big reason why I won't visit AT again.  I had never sold on the net before and when I did only 1/2 the deals actually went through.  I found this site and have already had only great dealings.  I do believe trad guys on average do have higher values.

[Orion]

Well said, Biggie. A sign of the times, I think.  More dishonest or at least disingenuous folks around now. We tend to let our guard down on this site, but they're everywhere.  

[ksbowman]

Bowwild, I have had excellent overall luck buying and selling. I bought a Morrison TD when I first arrived on tradgang from a guy in Wyoming. The day after I sent the MO to him the bow arrived. He had sent it on my word, a $500 bow! I knew then that tradgang had a very high,honorable standard and I said to myself "My kind of people". I could not have been that trusting dealing with people I didn't know. When a membership grows to the size that tradgang has there will always be some glitches, but as long as a man is upfront and honest there won't be problems.

[Scott Teaschner]

I hate to say but that is the way it goes. I think that is just buisness as normal for these times. I think guys get excited and they want it but they are not at the store where it gets in there hands and the cash is in yours. If they have buyers remorse its to late then. but for the most part they have 8 to 12 hours to think about it and they change there mind. It bothered me at first when it happened to me. But now I just dont even give it a second thought. I usally see the customer later on buy the product so I just dont make it personal.

[BobCo 1965]

I have had that happen as well and it is not much fun. But until I am standing in the other persons shoes in their circumstances, I will not judge.

[bow_man_66]

I have to say that the Trad Values is what keeps me here. More great people on this site than the few that are here that do not follow through. Things do come up, we all understand that. None of us are perfect. Communication is the best thing for all though, make sure all involved know whats going on. I do stand by my word, its the only thing we really have in the end!!!

[Night Wing]

I have sold two bows on Trad Gang. When each person said they wanted the bow, I went back to my classified ad to edit it. The edit in the title didn't say, "Sold". I put, "Sale Pending". If things went wrong (and they didn't), I'm covered and this also lets other people know who are watching the ad what's happening with the transaction.

Once the sale is complete, I again go back to my classified ad, re-edit the title (again) by putting "Sold" in the title so people following the ad now know the bow is no longer available.