Not EVERYBODY on here has trad values

[ron w]

I have been very fortunate to have dealt with nothing but top notch folks on this site.  

[Tim]

As the site grows we are going to have police it more and more.  The biggest complaint on the classifieds is lack of communication.  Emails, PM's, text messaging, cell phones.  Come on folks just keep in touch until both parties side of the deal is complete.

On the positive side, I can't tell you how many fantastic friends I have made through buying and selling!    

[Steve in Canton]

You have to look at the whole picture. I do not think that traditional values have to do with anything on how and what we buy.  I had to cancel an order off of another site because on January 3rd my company notified me that I was being downsized along with 30 other people.  According to the logic on this post I do not have traditional values because I did not pay for a product that I initially said that I wanted.  I had no reason to believe that my company would be downsizing but I felt that the 400 I was going to spend could be better utilized on my family.

[Terry Green]

Yeah Biggie...and THANKS for posting....some folks make honest mistakes...gonna happen and understandable, but some folks are just reckless.

Heck, we can't even get folks to follow the rules on this site, and then they grip about it when we pull there posts.  Not just this forum, but the Shooters forum as well,....you wouldn't believe the hoops we've jumped through to keep that a TRAINING/COACHING forum for Bowhunters.  We've tried all sorts of tricks, but so many never even read the guidelines, or they think they are above the rules one.

Same with the Product Review forum, folks asking questions there instead of here, and the guidlines are plain as the nose on you face.

I can say one thing though....its still the most friendly site a bowhunter can go to, ....especially for the size of its membership.  Most folks would be shocked at what we go though and put up with just to keep the streets clean here.  Its a full time job in itself.

[cbCrow]

I have seen both sides of this problem and try to with hold judgement until I know the truth of the situation. I gave a guy on here, about 18 months ago,a bow for a kid that he promised to pass on when the boy was done with it. I saw that bow and arrows for sale on another site no more than 2 months later. I emailed this a$$hole and asked him to honor his committment and was told tuff sh** for you. On the other hand I know some one that shot my bow and loved it. He decided to order one. Six weeks later he was having health related issues and was distraught because of his commitment to the bowyer. I knew the bowyer well and interceded on the friends behalf, not only did the bowyer forgive the deal he also offered to pay to have it shipped back to him. I paid the shipping and my friend recieved his deposit back about 2wks. later in a get well card. I would never offer to post or to chide someone unless you know the truth, makes you the wrong doer.

[Raineman]

Amen Biggie. I am still waiting for a payment on a bow that someone here committed to almost 3 weeks ago. I will say that this is the first time this has happened to me here. Worst thing is that there are others waiting in line for it.

Have to say though, I still say this is the best place to do it, and I'm grateful for that.

[Lone Ranger]

Every experience I have had on here has been great- bought a pack, some kids arrows, binos, a knife, etc... most of the stuff shipped out before I had paid for it!

very high class people here, no doubt!


L.R.

[joekeith]

I've been screwed 3 times here in TG.

 Once by a Sponsor who finally got kicked off after ripping off a bunch of people.  Hope he's havin' fun at the Ren-Fairs or whatever ya call 'em.

 Second time by a member who I thought was a new Trad friend.  He only lives about 10 minutes away....He ended up taking a bow but didn't want to pay up for it.  We were to swap for his bow building stuff.  After months finally said I wanted bow back since he never delivered goods.  When he finally put the stuff outside his house in the rain I went and got it.  Most of it was junk and fallin' apart.  He still is on here....I just am waiting to pay him back what he deserves.  

  and THANKS, to all who have been true to their word, and those who were patient with me and made it possible to get some great bows to try out.  Thanks again to 97% of yas,        97 out of 100 ain't too bad I guess....  

[Shawn Rackley]

Biggie i know what u mean. i have had the same things happen. someone says they want the bow and then they come up with excuses, kinda why i dont sell bows on here anymore. would rather sell and trade among my close friends here in the area. plus that way i can always shoot it lol    last bow i tried to sell 2 ppl did it to me. needless to say if i ever do decided to sell one on here it wont be to those fellas, lifes to short to wait on ppl that dont know what they want

[RM81]

No matter what group you're in, there will always be one or two bad apples.  I've had a great bunch of deals on here with great people and I believe that the majority of folks here are honest.  But there will always be a few that aren't.

[Doc Nock]

Terry,

Just to lighten the mood... I had to smile reading about "don't read the rules"...well, heck man, we're guys! We don't ask for directions and we don't read direction prior to assembly...!   :rolleyes:  Just ask about any woman!     What makes you think guys will read "rules"!?    

To the quality of Classified Transactions:

I'd echo that my dealings here in classifieds have been sterling. Bought expensive binocs YEARS ago and the guy sent them immediately before he got my check! Amazing.

I've sold some bows...just a spare few that were too stout for me anymore...and got great comments on my packaging. That makes me smile!

But Biggie, I echo your overall observations and have typed it here before--- we're drawing an ever broadening group of converts to "Trad". I see it at local shoots... people's values are way different...not just "honesty" but also in "consideration for others".

People being drunk where formally, no booze is allowed, but quiet consumption is tolerated among mature individuals... and those who were drunk were also rude, crude and loud and drove a friend and his family home being camped near them! Once alerted, the organizers escorted those folks off the premises.

People used to get up and leave "your fire" when you stood up and said it was time for bed, but now, they just stay laughing and joking to the wee hours and burning up YOUR wood! With you trying to sleep 20' away!?

Never saw that the first 15-20 yrs I was hitting trad shoots. Never!  

People leaving their drivel all around your campsite for you to move and clean up before you can even make your own breakfast, or you come back and find a mess and have to clean up before you can do your own lunch, under your own tarp and clean off your tables, etc.

With a greater cross section of society engaging in trad shooting, you get a broader band of social norms and beliefs.

As with preserving quality trout water, you recruit more supporters, who then crowd into the same stretch of water you used to have to yourself!  

There is a razor's edge between preserving a desired endeavor and it "catching on" and moving off it's previous center!

[Ray Borbon]

"I'll gladly repay you Tuesday for a hamburger today"

 

[BowHunterGA]

I agree with you Biggie 100%. That being said, my one caveat is when someone desires a Postal Money order for payment. For me this is a major pain in the behind. Mostly because I have a very busy schedule and a trip to the post office to wait in line to get a money order is just hard for me to fit in.

I usually deal with this up front by asking what payment methods the seller desires prior to committing to buy, or I will say something like "If you accept PayPal I can pay immediately, if you will take a check I will mail today and you can hold the item till check clears and you have your money. If you want a money order it will take me a couple days to get that out to you." If the seller is ok with that then I will take the item, if not I won't but I try to not say I'll take it unless payment methods are discussed and agreed upon up front.

If I lose an item taking the time to make sure me and the seller are in agreement then so be it. I have not yet had an item sold out from under me taking the time to remove any misunderstandings prior to saying "I'll take it".

[RC]

I`ve had nothing but great dealings here.The biggest problem solver on any transaction is communication. If you are timely and return pm`s and such right away it will all be to the good.RC

[Covey]

Doc Nock, The way you put things will never cease to amaze me. Once again... Well said my friend!

Jason

[maineac]

Just got off the classifieds and read this.  I am considering a bow that is lighter, as an old shoulder injury has been paining me.  I am sure I can work through it, but am looking to the future.  I didn't pull the trigger. Have to check finances first.  That said I have lost lots of opportunities by thinking about it for a half hour.  I always figure that is how the cookie crumbles, but night cause some others to commit before they have checked with the bank, or boss.

[Friend]

TG is made rhobust due the synergy derived from the masses. Still yet. TG is made up of people.

[mmilinovich]

BobCo 1965:

I'm sure you're a good human being.  But you, my friend, are part of the problem.

You said (above):  "I will not judge."

A segment of our society has shouted down the majority, saying that no matter what offends a person, he should not judge; in fact, he has no right to judge.

That's crap.  Wrong is wrong.  When I see it, I not only judge, but I confront.

Lack of integrity, the subject of Biggie's initial post, is a BIG PROBLEM . . . and we need "judges!"

Mark

[last arrow]

Wow, reading this makes me feel lucky.  All my transactions have worked well.

[BobCo 1965]

Originally posted by mmilinovich:
BobCo 1965:

I'm sure you're a good human being.  But you, my friend, are part of the problem.

You said (above):  "I will not judge."

A segment of our society has shouted down the majority, saying that no matter what offends a person, he should not judge; in fact, he has no right to judge.

That's crap.  Wrong is wrong.  When I see it, I not only judge, but I confront.

Lack of integrity, the subject of Biggie's initial post, is a BIG PROBLEM . . . and we need "judges!"

Mark

I see it differently (except for the good person part).                  

And actually to be fair, this is what I said:
"But until I am standing in the other persons shoes in their circumstances, I will not judge. "


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