Trad Gang is not Popular Mechanics - UPDATE page 30

[chuckbow]

Terry, well said; i also am a true blood fanatic of this site and its people, although we dont all ,always agree,i still feel like part of the family and have nothing but respect for Tradgangers.  I (since joinig here) have taken my largest whitail ever!, and done better than i ever dreamed in traditional 3d shoots,i would atribute this new found success,in a big way to this site! ive learned in a few years more than i could learn  myself in the past 25 years of trying , and a lot of things were small but super helpfull,thanks to everyone who makes this site possible,i also met a guy (chris surtees)through this site, along with alot of other people,cris and i spoke several times before my texas hunt ,(my biggest buck ever)and he gave me some practice points wich he second day mailed me,(for free)JUST SO THEY WOULD GET TO ME BEFORE MY TRIP, i can barley get through a thread about him and his family without breaking down in tears,and cant express enough my condolencses to his family.this site is full of great people, and im proud to be part of it thanks again , chuck cranford!   <><

[Terry Green]

Thanks Curt and all for bearing with us.....it was determined last year that some folk didn't 'get' my message....and a few still don't.  We are all about helping newbie's....if you've missed that, you really haven't been hanging around here.

We have some other issues also....the constant barrage of spam......some folks like to make posts just to stir things up....and that was what caused Curt to TTT this thread.  Most of the threads were removed, and a couple locked. (not all were spam but got caught up in the clean up) Many of them most of you all didn't even see.

I'm also going to make a post listing some of the off topics we've had as of late just to give you all an idea of what all kinds of stuff we get posted on here.

Terry, the list is a great idea!  That should put the fire out..

[Zradix]

Originally posted by Terry Green:

I'm also going to make a post listing some of the off topics we've had as of late just to give you all an idea of what all kinds of stuff we get posted on here.

That is a great idea.
The mods do such a good job of keeping things on track here the others don't get a chance to see what is considered "off topic"
It's hard to tell sometimes when posting in the grey area if you're treading to close to the black, if you know what I mean.

[magnus]

This is great timing. I think this time of year (like Curt said) people's minds start to wander. I've been guilty of that. I also agree that one should focus more on their own abilities or lack thereof to get more proficient with the equipment they chose and their woodsman ship. I'd rather see how close I can get to a deer rather than how far away I can shoot it.
  One way to help newbies is to remind them keep it simple. JMHO.

[SEMO_HUNTER]

I agree on the List Terry, that would help clarify alot of issues and help the noobs like myself know what's ok and what isn't.

If it weren't for being directed to this site by an aquaintance of mine, I wouldn't be at the level I am now. I also would have never dreamed of making my own self bows from Osage without TG, but I'm now about 5 bows into it.

Lots of great people, and great information here on TG, and I feel I'm better because of it. I honestly do not go an entire day without checking in here at least once. Except when I'm away from my computer, and then it's the first thing I do when I get home.

[Zradix]

Originally posted by Guru:
....For some of you others that think we don't "want to help the newbies"...I'm afraid you'll just never "get it", and that's a shame...

Brother..To say this site isn't here for the new blood is just laughable.

I'm a newb. I've only been going trad for a few years....still much to learn.
No better place to come for advice than here.
So many minds connected with a single, fairly unique passion in common is just plain neat.

This site is ALL about learning.
Being so it takes a while for a new person just to learn what Tradgang is all about...and how things are conducted here.

I'll tell you what..I'm embarrassed about a few of my first posts..jeesh.
Took me a while to "Get it"

[Terry Green]

Here's a link that's at the Bottom of Rob DiStefano's post....its in his signature.  It is targeted directly at newbies...and is a good starting point.

   Newbie Info Click Here

We just hate to see newbies come here and get all caught up in the 'static' when they should be immersed in the basics of good shooting form, accuracy, good arrow flight, matched equipment, properly sharpened heads, and properly fletched arrows.....NONE of which are borderline that will at some point come back to haunt them due to many hunting variables.....weather conditions, shooting positions, event anxiety, uneven terrain, etc....

[michigan bill]

Gents, the "brace height" post below was one of the most interesting and informative posts I have seen on TradGang.  I consider it traditional and bow hunting related in every sense of the word since the gentleman used a 60# 1958 Bear recurve and broadheads to do his testing.  I, for one, really enjoy posts like this one.
Am I correct in thinking this is a proper post in PowWow?
Bill
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  posted November 17, 2010 12:04 PM                      
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Interesting question ... Since I have a draw board, bow scale, string jig, and chronograph, I decided to test the theories. Here is what I got:

1958 Bear KS 60@28, DL 28¼", 618 grain arrow.

BH: 6¾"
DW@28¼ = 61.0 lbs
Powerstroke = 19.75"
5-shot avg. speed = 166 fps

BH: 8"
DW@28¼" = 62.3 lbs
Powerstroke = 18.5"
5-shot avg. speed = 166 fps

From this I conclude that increasing BH requires a slightly stiffer spine because the arrow is accelerated to the same speed in a shorter distance, ie. more G-force.

This might be peculiar to the bow, but that's how it plays out for my setup.

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1958 Bear Kodiak Special 60#@28"
28.75" BOP Legacy 2018, 19%FOC
Silver Flame Broadheads

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[Terry Green]

Nothing wrong with that post at all.

[Huntschool]

Terry, et al:

First, I think it was prudent of Guru to bring this thread back up.  I have my own reasons for that opinion.  I assure everyone they are not snobbish or personally directed.

I suspect that those of us who are over or close to the age of 60 can recall when a person needed a physically present mentor to get started.  That, thanks to the Internet has all changed and done so in a very short time frame.  We are now a "global" community in the information age.  That's nice but along with this "easy access" to information comes a burden of levels of that information.  We must be cautious not to overlook those simple questions. Am I concerned about the new folks... yep.  Sometimes a new person is so "eat up" with the desire to gain new information that they do not see the "tools" (read search in this case) that are available on a site.  I am sometimes as guilty of this as anyone.

This site has, by my appraisal, done more for our "sport" than any I have visited.  Your supervision as well as your appointed mods. and admin folks have done their best to keep this site clean and friendly.  That is great stuff.

I do, however, think we are in a similar information quest to every other activity niche out there.  As such, people are interested in that "new information" whether it is equipment, applicable information, or just gathering together albeit the Solona Ranch hunt etc.  It is to this end that one must take care not to employ the sites empowerment to seemingly randomly close or remove threads.  I, frankly, think this judicious application has been done to an excellent degree.  I have had one post pulled years ago and have, as you know, asked you about the removal of another here recently.  All in all it has been great.

I think the "list" idea is great.


Lets move on.  I am sure everyone here will follow the guidelines.  Again, Great Site !!!!!!

[Ghost Dog]

I know a guy who makes his own 45# selfbows, planes his own arrows, shoots homemade trade points, and is a great and successful hunter. Talk about self reliance.

[twostrings]

I love it Terry. Thanks.

[Eugene Slagle]

I'm by no means a pro at this having returned to shooting bare bow recurve or traditional recurve for 2 years now I am working from memory on how to aim & shoot from 20+ years from being with it & tuning by help from a old copy of the Easton Tuning Guide & ofcorse help from many here & some local guys-n-gals that is willing to give me a hand.

I guess I'm a realist & take any information with a grain of salt, like the EFOC & UFOC stuff, I use what I knew worked back when I started & worried more on how my arrow flew by my release instead of all the other stuff as long as the weight was more than 14% forward & I had a good strong & sharp broadhead it should do it's job as long as I did my part & the other stuff well some is just personal experience that may or may not work for everyone.
I post on some threads that what worked for me but again it is a personal thing & mileage may vary from shooter to shooter.

I hope I haven't steered this thread with my words, if it has then by all means delete them please.

[Terry Green]

[lpcjon2]

Someone just hit the refresh thread.        

[Bowwild]

I'm not sure what triggered this discussion. Frankly, when I read these kinds of things I always feel like I'm outside the clique. But I only read three pages of it. I've been here for some time although inactive a few years after I originally joined.

I may be an offender of Admin's desire for the site? Of course there are all kinds of posts on Pow Wow. How to hunt, understanding equipment, improving form, solving problems, and a bit of hero worship. Of course bow pics and discussions about design are very popular and for the past couple of years and maybe for another few months, I've been and will be interested in those threads.

Personally, I've been hunting for a very long time and most of that time with bows. There are many reasons why folks hunt and the enjoyment they get from hunting varies.

While the hunt and woodsmanship are most important to me, I get a HUGE kick out of the equipment. I want to know my equipment inside and out. I am constantly tinkering and disecting..that's part of the joy of the archery displine for me.  I CHOOSE to make the equipment side of things a bit more intense and analytical because I get a kick out of it, not because I'm trying to save a step or increase the odds in my favor.

I've learned a few things here. I've also debunked a few things that some folks think are true -- I don't point those things out though.

I don't know why, with 35,000+ members we can't, as long as we follow the rules, post what we're interested in. If I don't want to read a post or comment, I don't.  There are certain types of posts on this site that I avoid like the plaque, but thankfully, I have that option.

I'd sure like to know when/if I'm offending Trad Gang sensibilities. I know it's not a democracy, that's the beauty of a site like this. It belongs to the folks who started it, not me. If I find the site isn't for my kind, I can live with that.

[charles m]

Thanks.  I saw recently where someone answered a question that was asked, and they were immediately accosted with several paragraphs that was dissing the guy answering the question.  Then someone else came out of his hole and piled on. Bet you can figure it out.  Seems like there is a lot of fuss over nothing, and time of nothingness would be better spent by folks learning to shoot better than worrying over picking flies out of poop.   Most of these folks probably couldn't shoot their way out of a barn from the inside.

Some folks are more interested in furthering someone's agenda than anything else.  Self promotion seems to be so important to some to the degree that they never post on any thread except ones that promote themselves, and they NEVER congratulate anyone on any stories of success.  They only show up when it benefits them.  Its so obvious to many, but oblivious to others.

[Bowwild]

Oh, I like it here as you can tell from my posts. I hope I can stay even though I prefer bows with curved limb tips and fancy wood.

As far as I know, I've never had a post deleted except when I asked questions about a certain bow made in the UK.

[lpcjon2]

Roy,
 IMHO its more about the basic principles of hunting you and a bow type topics are missing and being replaced with how high speed can this stick and shaft get it done for me.

  As Terry mentioned the art of woodsman ship topics have slowly dwindled and have been replaced with commercially made products that compensate for woodsman ship type threads are to abundant. The only way to be a better hunter is to work on yourself, and not rely on high speed gear to do it for ya.

  Lets get back to the basics of hunting and being a hunter is what I think its about.JMHO