Trad Gang is not Popular Mechanics - UPDATE page 30

[John Nail]

Terry, like the English teacher said, "Ya done good!"

[PaddyMac]

Boy, did I get sucked into this thread. Note the dates!

Very interesting. This whole thread kind of mirrors my thinking over several years. I love how this site does that. Its like a David Maas painting I saw once of a bunch of trees. You stare at it for a while just letting your eyes wander and then WHAM! there's a buck and you're busted. That's art.

Once upon a time I couldn't kill a lame cottontail without a hex wrench and a slide rule.

I've been very fortunate in my career to have talked with some real life legends of bowhunting and I'm disappointed to say that some of the plain thoughts I heard rolled off me like Shakepeare off a teenager. Luckily, I'm old enough to appreciate some of the "old threads" I can still remember.

It isn't the string material. It's the wind.

It isn't the curve of the bow. It's the lay of the land.

It isn't the tweaking of the fletch helical. It's what you do with your eyes and lungs and all that adrenalin 20 seconds before the shot is there.

It isn't the algebra of weight and balance. It's the tai chi of how you are going to take that next step.

All the paraphernalia of what we do in traditional bowhunting is fun to me.  I like working with leather and fletching arrows and practicing, but that's just the hobby and the tinkering. It's the adjusting of the seat and the steering wheel, but it's not the race.

[KSdan]

Terry- I am really not arguing.  I am in support  of what you guys created here.  I guess I just do not see the conflict- but honestly I just may not have read/or witnessed the posts you feel are an abuse.  

I am not arguing with your concerns. I just do think there is a wealth of knowledge out there that I do hope gets passed on somehow.  I am in my 50s, strictly trad for 30 years now, and I get young guys off here emailing me for questions.  Kind of surprises me.  

Like I said- perhaps an area with tutorial or knowledge base articles, like the Dr. Ashby study could really be an awesome resource.

Thanks for an awesome site.

Dan

[lpcjon2]

As I read and follow this I see a recurring effect. Terry posted what he wants to be the basis of his site, and people take it personal and get upset as if it is out of line for him to want his site the way he intended it to be.

  Think for a minute, if you take this thread personal and get defensive stop and think how he may feel about his site that he started with his own vision,being redirected from his vision.

  Nobody but Terry should be taking anything personal! Through the years he has tactfully handled this place for the better of all of us. So be thankful and give the man the respect he has earned, after all he made this to share with all of us.

[kbetts]

How bout a spot for"Newbe questions" or maybe "Ridiculous Tech questions".

I love this place.  I learned more by reading and keeping my mouth shut.  Good for you Terry.  It's your site, do with it what you please.  Now I just need to send some $ to show my appreciation!

[Kenny Henderson]

THANK YOU TERRY!!!I was wondering when this site was going to morph into something it wasn't intended to be. Thanks.

[Pepper]

Way to go Terry.
This should be a sticky note.
Something that we all will see each time we log on.
I am with you, I too have deviated from the basic concept that this site was founded on.
I look forward to making more positive comments, and asking more questions directed at the concept of self improvement, and any other that will improve the sport.
Thanks

[Kevin Dill]

I am very curious: How do you educate or clearly inform people where "the line" is drawn? It seems quite subjective to allow certain postings regarding equipment choices or tuning (5.5" shields make my hunting arrows fly better) while others are disallowed (I'm using 3" parabolics for arrow speed).

Obviously you can allow and disallow anything you like here, and I will always support that right. Allowing people to talk about tuning their equipment...but only so far...doesn't provide enough clarification on how far. The line gets crossed constantly (partly) because it's a fine line. The grayer the area...the grayer your hair.

Appreciate you, and your website....

[Terry Green]

kbetts....

This is at the top of the PowWow....Rob put a lot of time and effort into this so folks would have a starting point.

   Click Here

[deaddoc4444]

WELL   lots of reading and lots of repeated thoughts .
  MY IDEA is this: I LIKE to have information available to me.    EXAMPLE    I am starting to run low on my stock of cedar arrow shafts . ( I Used to buy by the hundreds from Acme and Rose city  in the 80s and early 90s)    BUT  in the last few years I have LEARNED  from this site that the quality of Cedar has gone down a lot on the last 15 years  SO as I get near to replenishment  of materials to make arrows  I Need  to find a different  material to make arrows .  SEARCH on this site proved very valuable  to finding thoughts on different wood offerings to make arrows from .    "B U T " some of those threads not only GREAT information on a shaft material   BUT other information chimed in  like  "WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING WITH WOOD ARROW MATERIAL WHEN CARBON IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER "  
 That is where we are getting lost in the tech stuff.    I DON'T want to hear about  your ideas on OTHER FORMS of WHAT YOU consider better on a thread designed to be about a subject NOT including  what YOU want to talk about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!           I Learn a lot here BUT IF I don't want to learn about YOUR way  DOT TELL ME ABOUT IT LIKE ITS GOSPEL  BY JUMPING INTO A THREAD THAT IS  not about what you believe.
    ALSO on a side note one of the first  comments along the way compared some of our stuff to "rap Music "      WELL that doesn't exist  bad comparison .    Music is defined as a combination of RYTHM, Melody, and Beat ( encyclopedia def.)    RAP  has no melody  SO there fore it is NOT music  > JMHO

[NormanDale33]

Terry,

As a "newbie" I was originally mis-understanding your post. However, I think you are completely correct and I fully support your stance. I have had tons of help from this site getting started with trad hunting. This site is full of folks eager to help others like myself learn the basics of trad shooting...for hunting. We are responsible for our actions and results as hunters...and whether or not you shoot a 2,3, or 4-blade broadhead with 25 or 26% EFOC isn't important. How well you shoot it is. I still struggle figuring out how to tune my bow to my arrows, but I am getting there thanks to the folks at this site.

Thanks for making this site what it is.

[Zradix]

Norman.

The secret is to tune the arrow to you and the bow.
Way easier than the other way around bro.
   

[Bladepeek]

Terry, I like your post, sympathize with your views and recognize that you have a paternal concern for the site. You and a lot of others worked hard to create a site for like minded hunters. I'm guessing you're working a lot harder now trying to maintain it with the huge growth it's seen.

At the same time, judging from the member numbers, I'm not the only newbie here. Speaking for myself only, I'm soaking this stuff up like a sponge. I am, by nature, conservative. I liked big heavy bullets when I hunted with a rifle. I favor slower but heavier arrows for the same reason. I can still understand someone's desire to wring just a little bit more performance out of their equipment. I don't see any of the bowyer sponsors advertising that their bow may not be very fast, but it sure is comfortable to shoot.

I see your job and that of the other moderators as benevolent dictators. Preserve the integrity of the site and maintain its direction without making it a "my way only" site.

Brother, I sure don't envy you the task, but I'm also very glad to see you carrying the load.

Ron

[Blackhat]

Here! Here!  

[Thumper Dunker]

                   

[acolobowhunter]

Looks like the rules and guidelines need to be explained.  27 pages of this thread is a little more than I have time to read.

[ishoot4thrills]

Originally posted by Terry Green:
I think a few...just a few have missed my point.

I am not talking about 'new stuff' on the market.  New bows or bow materials, new string materials, arrow material, etc. etc.

I'm talking about a mentality of 'paralysis by analysis'.  And, forgetting the most important basics of tuning and shooting, and the true lethality of the Trad Bow in the hands of a skilled and accurate woodsman.  Missing the music for all the static. Even some new guys have posted here and on other posts that they are overwhelmed at all the tech chat that they themselves are confused.

That is my point.

Read the above clarification and I think you will better understand exactly what Terry is talkin' about guys.

[champ38]

Terry, Your intuitive leadership is what makes this site different.Keep it up, Shane

[m midd]

Your post was spot on Terry.. Ive only been in traditonal archery for a few years.. I have learned alot thanks to this site.. Not so long ago i would read every thread on pow wow and either learn or give input if i could.. Now i just skim through and skip a lot of this vs that threads.. I think you and the other mods do a great job..

     Thanks, Mike middlebrook

[DennyK]

Terry, Nicely Put.