Need Help! Can't get rid of nock high--Bareshafting (UPDATE)

[WJackson11x]

I need some help.  This has been a nightmare trying to tune my 45#@28 Grizzly.  My drawlength is 29".  Arrows are 30 7/8"  Easton Gamegetter 2016 (500 spine).  I've tried different braceheights, point weights up to 200gr and nockheight all the way up to 3/4.  I can see a difference in arrow flight depending on nock point, but can never get the nockhigh flight to go away. I've been trying to tune this thing for a few weeks and do not know what else to do.  I know my form is not the best, but I can get good arrow flight from the same arrows out of my Black Bear 40# bow.  Shooting 3 under. Any ideas?  Do I just set it to where its shooting the best?  I'm kinda anal about things and want to get this thing tuned correctly, it's gonna be my hunting bow so I think it needs to be tuned to shoot broadheads accurately.

[macbow]

Wes,Bare shafting can be very frustrating. When using a bare shaft little things like your release make a lot of difference.

I'd suggest stepping back and trying paper tuning and go back and forth. I paper tune with a fletched arrow.
The easy way is to use a cardboard box, cut out a window in the bottom and tape newspaper over the hole.
Shoot from about 15 feet.
There is another thread here about paper tuning that has excellent info.
Ron

[WJackson11x]

I normally paper tuned my bows when I was shooting compounds, seemed a lot easier to tune a compound for some reason.  I've having a lot of trouble with the recurve though. I'll try it and see what happens.

[soaring eagle]

At that length a 2016 is probably a little weak. I would move nock to where you get best flight, probably somewhere around a 1/2". then go down in point weight or increase arrow spine or twist up string to increase brace height. I have had bows that I never could bare shaft or paper tune to perfection, but broadhead point of impact was good and really thats what matters

[WJackson11x]

I get good left to right arrow flight from what I can tell.  I don't suspect them to be weak, but at this point I'm willing to try anything.

[gringol]

try larger fletching.  A big rudder can help a lot.

[lpcjon2]

Drop the head weight to 150 and see what happens.

[Shedrock]

Since you are shooting 3 under, have you tried your nock point at 7/8"? I know you mentioned 3/4. When I shot 3 under, my nock point was at 7/8" above center for good arrow flight.

[WJackson11x]

Gringol, I'm Bareshafting so that wouldn't help much on tuning. If anything it would just "mask" the problem.

[WJackson11x]

Jon, I've tried all different size points from 125-200 gr

Shedrock- when I get up to 3/4 it gets worse, they fly best around 1/2, but still nock high a good bit

[Chub]

do you have nock point under shaft .it helps my tuning issues

[overbo]

Inconsistant finger pressure.Bow w/ certain amount of finger pinch can be the cause

[WJackson11x]

I do have 2 nock points. The thing is I can shoot my other Bear and can get good arrow flight. Is there someone in GA that I could take it to that could be of any help? Maybe someone with a little more knowledge than me.

[soaring eagle]

one of the reason i suggest weak spine is the fact that they tune well out of lower poundage bow. And a string nock under shaft may help. I havee seen this fix your issue before sometimes the nock will slide down the string a little when released

[AMB]

Stick a rest on it!

[JamesKerr]

I don't believe you would be getting a false nock high reading at 3/4 or even 1/2" above center. I don't know what to really suggest except maybe try some different arrows. There are some bow and arrow combinations that just won't work together for a particular archer.

[WJackson11x]

I was hoping I wouldnt have to go with different arrows, but may be my only option at this point.  Thanks for everyones suggestions.

[WJackson11x]

Originally posted by AMB:
Stick a rest on it!

Do you think that will make a difference?  I guess with shooting 3 under it would make the tiller a little better.  I don't mind a little nock high, and I know that it's preffered, but my arrows are diving low. More than I think they should.

[JamesKerr]

I just re-read your initial post and found that you are trying to watch the way your bareshaft flies in order to be in tune. I don't suggust this as it is incredibly hard to shoot a bareshaft perfectly straight all the time. I would use O.L. Adcock's method of bare shaft tuning by which you tune according to how your bareshafts group with your fletched shafts.

[Elk whisperer]

sometimes you cant get rid of it I got one like that . if it flys good with feathers dont worry to much