is efoc neccessary?

[bayhunter]

is extreme forward of center or even forward of center neccessary? I shot a very light bow(40lb), with my current accuracy im definately not ready to hunt. So i guess my question is: when i become accurate, assuming i am shooting recurves in the mid 40s, do i really need to shot efoc? its not that im lazy it just that it seems efoc takes alot more time to tune and i would rather spend that time shooting my bow.
Thanks for any repelies  

[katman]

efoc necessary? NO. Helpful, yes.

Yes, forward of center is necessary for the arrow to fly point forward.

Tuning for a high or efoc arrow lets you shoot your bow. With modern arrow materials and light weight shafts high foc is not difficult to obtain.

[KHALVERSON]

Originally posted by katman:
efoc necessary? NO. Helpful, yes.

Yes, forward of center is necessary for the arrow to fly point forward.

Tuning for a high or efoc arrow lets you shoot your bow. With modern arrow materials and light weight shafts high foc is not difficult to obtain.

x2

Originally posted by katman:
efoc necessary? NO. Helpful, yes.

Yes, forward of center is necessary for the arrow to fly point forward.

Tuning for a high or efoc arrow lets you shoot your bow. With modern arrow materials and light weight shafts high foc is not difficult to obtain.

No need for me to add anything else either!

Bisch

[Bowhunter4life]

I guess I was EFOC before I knew there was such a thing!     Light weight carbons out of heavier bows you don't have to many choices, either increase point weight or add stuff to the shaft or both... I just happened to pick increase point weight and got them to fly well...  Actually put the arrow in a FOC calculator I found on the net and they are between 22% and 25% FOC...

[Prairie Drifter]

Depends on what your hunting. If it's just deer, I would say no. I have shot through plenty of  deer w/ low 40#'s bows w/ a 475-500gr wood arrows that only had 9.9% foc. However, when I hunt bigger stuff(elk,boar, ect) I use carbons that weighs over 650grs and an foc around 28% now.

[Friend]

IF EFOC has no personal appeal, then by all means don't pursue it.

Due note that bows in the mid 40's likely have more to gain in significantly improving the arrow design's lethality arrow on deer sized critters.

EFOC and even Ultra-EFOC arrows are easily obtained using arrows such as Victory HV's in conjunction with brass inserts and variety of field points.

HV 400 - 6.2 gpi
HV 350 - 6.7 gpi
HV 300 - 6.9 gpi

Reasonably priced at ~$68/doz

[JamesKerr]

I think carbon shafting lends itself to high foc's I am shooting a pretty heavy gpi carbon shaft and still have a foc of 20% with 275 grains up front. That is just where my setup tuned in for me.

[Bill Carlsen]

If increased penetration was the only advantage to higher FOC that would be sufficient for me since I am basically a bow hunter. However, you will get better arrow flight (think about why darts have heavy front ends) and actually I find them easier to tune and the end result is more accuracy (tighter groups). For me it has been a win win situation. Once you figure out the specifics of what arrow and point weight combination works best for you my guess is that shooting your bow will actually be more fun to shoot and hunting you will feel more confident because  everything will work better and hunting performance will be enhanced.

[1screagle]

I started a thread asking about this FOC yesterday, not this one. Since then I put in at least 4 hours testing various set ups with my 3 longbows. I have found what Bill C just said is spot on. I love the flight of these set ups, beautiful and true. My groups of 3 are easier to obtain, seem to hit hard and beautiful to watch. The gpp is about 12 on 2 set ups at 28", probably a little more since I draw slightly less. The third is at about 10.5 gpp with a 17.5% FOC, the other 2, 22.6% and 20.6%. The lighter set up is perceptably faster and flatter. I feel more confident now than ever having spent the time tuning these set ups. It will be a long hard wait to experience the tuning in a hunting situation. Now to work on the broadheads for scary sharp. This is fun, no doubt love the journey.

[bayhunter]

ok you guys have conceived me im going efoc

[Andy Cooper]

Originally posted by Friend:
IF EFOC has no personal appeal, then by all means don't pursue it.

Due note that bows in the mid 40's likely have more to gain in significantly improving the arrow design's lethality arrow on deer sized critters.

EFOC and even Ultra-EFOC arrows are easily obtained using arrows such as Victory HV's in conjunction with brass inserts and variety of field points.

HV 400 - 6.2 gpi
HV 350 - 6.7 gpi
HV 300 - 6.9 gpi

Reasonably priced at ~$68/doz

Which brass inserts fit these? I didn't see any on their site...but I could've missed 'em.

Thanks!

[JimB]

The standard 5/16 that fit Gold Tips and are sold by 3rivers and others, work.

[Andy Cooper]

Thanks, Jim!

[monterey]

Originally posted by bayhunter:
ok you guys have conceived me im going efoc

Not taking ownership without a DNA test!  

[Night Wing]

No, it's not necessary. Fifty years ago, there were no carbon arrows with their high FOC or EFOC percentages.

Back then, bowhunters mostly shot wood and aluminum arrows. These arrows with their low FOC percentages killed animals just as well as carbon arrows today with their high FOC percentage.

As an example, I still shoot broadhead tipped aluminium arrows and right now, the 2212s with the 75 grain broadhead I shoot out of my hunting recurves have a 9% FOC.

[katman]

But now you can build a 10 gpp arrow with 20% foc easily. Like I said earlier, not necessary but helpful. Can't see a down side other than cost of the carbon arrows. And they are more durable than aluminum.

[lpcjon2]

Personally I have no use for it, but that does not mean it doesnt have a purpose for some.