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Author Topic: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please  (Read 1207 times)

Offline Lashbow

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my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« on: March 24, 2012, 11:20:00 AM »
After hours of you tube videos i decided to give it a whack at making my own 3 bunch flemish string.
Made the jig, and started going along. after a few practice runs at getting the twists right, I finally had a completed string. looked pretty good too.
I strung it on my bow and before I could let out all of the tension of my stringer the top end unraveled or just came apart? It did not look real loose and I had about 5" of splice. with it off the bow I took the other loop that is still intact, put it on a hook and gave it some good pulls. Sturdy as an OX.
Why did this happen? At this point I am nervous as can be about putting git on my bow, I would not like to have it go at full draw.
16 strands of B-50, 64" 62# bow

Thanks,

Lash

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 11:42:00 AM »
I'm going to make an educated guess that you twisted the first loop one way and then did the second loop the other way. It's a very common mistake but it will result in the string immediately coming apart when tension is put on it.
Both loops need to be twisted the same way, regardless of what your brain tells you, twist them both the same way and it will work fine.

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 11:46:00 AM »
Did you twist both ends the same way?I had a buddy many years ago wanted to make up a string.He twisted one end one way and twisted the other end the opposite way and it unraveled as soon as it was under tension.This was before you tube and he had no instruction,just wanted to learn to make his own strings.A learning experience for him.Next time hang it up on a nail and hang a weight on it and see if it unravels or holds the weight.

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 11:47:00 AM »
Sounds like you may have twisted the 2 end loops in different directions. When string gets tensioned  it should want to tighten at the ends, if one unravels it probably was twisted the wrong way.

16 strands of B-50 should be fine for a 62# bow.
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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 12:15:00 PM »
I actually did the loops the same. I twisted the bunches clockwise then folded the two bunches one twist counter CW.once that loop was done, went to the other side of the string and exact same thing. CW twist bunches the CCW the bunches back over each other. It was a 3 bunch string so I know I am not explaining the 3rd step but basically that same thing just with the 3rd bunch. Each of the strands of the bunch are different lengths to help it gradually fold back into the string. I have about 5" splice from the end of the loop to the longest strand. So to the shortest strand in the splice it might be a bit shorter of a splice. The splice does not look much shorter than the string that came with my bow.
I actually shortened one end just now and made a longer splice in the end that came out. Re strung it and now both loops came undone. Can it be too short of a splice? I am going over in my head and I swear I can't see how the loops are going in the opposite direction. I am making them the same way on both ends. Any other ideas? Am i missing something?

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 12:22:00 PM »
Yep going opposite directions otherwise tension will tighten the string.  I did it on the first 4-5 trys myself.

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 12:42:00 PM »
Jasen, do you have any way to post pictures of what you're doing?
String making is one of those things that just dies when you try to describe it with just typed words.

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 01:23:00 PM »
I am going to say like everyone else you twisted it the wrong way, don't feel bad I know several people who have done the same thing. Myself included. But either a video or some sort of pictures would help alot...

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 03:30:00 PM »
When you put the string on the bow, do you give it 25-30 twists before stringing it?  If you don't, the string will unravel when you put it under tension.

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 03:42:00 PM »
Thanks guys,
I will try to get some pictures.
If you can see both loops in the picture will you be able to see if it is twisted wrong? I want to make sure i post pictures that are helpful

Jasen

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 04:01:00 PM »
My 1st attempt at posting a pic
1st loop

 http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/lashbow/port150.jpg

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 04:02:00 PM »
Both loops and the splices in the picture will be a good start. I'm sure we'll start hollerin' if we need more.

Guy
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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 04:04:00 PM »
Tie two birds together; though they have four wings, they can not fly.
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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 04:20:00 PM »

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2012, 04:21:00 PM »
Sorry wrong one, and sized wrong

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 04:29:00 PM »
OK I hope this works
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 04:30:00 PM »
I swear i re sized to 550 wide. Sorry they are huge
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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2012, 05:27:00 PM »
You got me... those splices look fine so far as both being made in the same direction.
If that's not the problem then I'm stumped.

Guy
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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2012, 06:01:00 PM »
I did make a 6 strand 2 bunch string for my daughter. I am not stringing on a heavy bow, but it holds great under me tugging at it.
I am puzzled too

Jasen

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Re: my first Flemish string-failure...why? help please
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 06:09:00 PM »
The couple of times I've had flemish strings I've made pull apart I twisted the loops just fine, but when I went to put the final twist in the whole string before bracing the bow I twisted the wrong way.  Sometimes it seems to me it's kind of an optical illusion where it looks like you ought to twist it one way when it actually should be the other.

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