Scott357, thanks for the pics, looks like you found something that works well for you. I took the entire plastic seat off mine, including the metal brackets. Aside from not liking the design, it just seemed like it used too much room. Although sitting is definately more comfortable, I mostly like to kneel for better paddle control so am thinking of how best to set up for that. Probably some type of knee pad and butt cushion arangement, with my back against the thwart (a piece of pipe insulation will go over that). Will need to experiment a bit.