Beman ICS bowhunter spine..400 or 500?

[Zradix]

Hey guys and gals,

I'm rolling around the thought of carbons.
The beman bowhunters sound like a decent shaft for the price....I just hope they're straight enough...
Of course if there's something cheaper and just as good let me know...lol

I'm shooting a 45# whip hs drawn to 29"
Thinking about a 200 or 250 grain head.

Should I get the 400 or the 500 spine?

Thanks

oh...as far as fletch glue goes..sounds like F-tite plat, Goat tuff, or Gorilla super glue is the way to go..? ..

That still the consensus?

[huntin_sparty]

I have been trying the 500s. 75 gr insert 180 gr head, and a 1 1/2 20 gr aluminum footing cut to 28 3/4.  They are showing weak out of a 50# at 28 Thunderchild longbow, I draw 27 so probably around 48#.  I would say depending on the insert those may be weak for you too.  I live just west of you in Rochester maybe we can shoot sometime after work for you to try em send me a PM.  I have some 400s coming to see how those test.  The skinny shaft bad for target shooting for the line touching but think are going to be great for hunting just practicing with these they are going through foam targets that my AD Hammerhead lites are only going partial 4 inches into!!  OOPPS I have the Beman MFX dont know if similar to ICS

[Bonebuster]

Great shafts for the money...heck, just plain great shafts.

I just recently set up some of the 300`s for my Predator.

A bit of fine sandpaper and a proper cleaning, and the Platinum Fletch tite has my feathers bonded as well as any other I have had. Plenty straight, and I have yet to break one even though I have been abusing them...(my old Carbonwoods have me spoiled with durability)

I would go with the 500`s as I think these shafts run stiff. As usual with carbons, leave them long and cut a little at a time.(1/4" means alot) If they finish too light, weight tubes will take care of it for you.

If you are new to carbons, just keep an open mind and do what you know. Arrow spine is arrow spine, regardless of shaft material. I was resistant to carbons for years and they are now my favorite shaft by far.

[BowMIke]

I shoot Morrison Shawnee and ILF longbows from 47 to 54 lbs and can shoot either spine, but the 400 needs more weight up front. This year I am hunting with 400's with 100 grain brass insert and 200 grain VPA broadheads.(636 grains at 29").
I would think the 500's would fly better for you, unless your going very heavy on the front of the arrow.

[Medley]

I use 400, full length, 125gr up front. Bareshafts great. I shoot a black widow pa, 47#@28. I draw it exactly 29"

[Mike Yancey]

I think that they are great shafts and have used them for several years on whitetail and mule deer both. I just ordered another dz. to take for back up arrows for my Alberta moose hunt this fall. I think they are a first class shaft and the fly like darts out of my selfbows, sinew backed bows or Black Widow. I shoot the 400's cut to 27 1/2 for 60 lb bows @ 26''. I think that they are a way over looked shaft, call 3 Rivers and they will tell you what you need.
Mike

[M60gunner]

IIf I were you I would spend a couple extra bucks and see if you can get attest kit of each size.  Three rivers has them but I am not sure about the Beemans. Call them they are very helpful. It seems to me that experience varies from shooter to shooter and bow to bow with carbons.
About the glue used. Get some cap wraps from Onestringer. He has plain ones if you want. Fast service and great people. The fletch tite works forever with the cap wraps.

[riverrat 2]

I have shot both mentioned spines. I would suggest the .500 with around .225-.275 up frt.
accomplished with .100 brass bushings,and the rest point weight. As far as fletching goes,I would use a cap wrap for better adhesion,and I am a big fan of the Fletch Tite Platinum. I have put my arrows thru some BAD stuff,never lost one yet. It drys in just a few minutes enough to move on to the next feather. Weight tubes are a pain. Always loosing nocks on hard impact. If you can get those arrows 31 inches or less,they should be perfect in a .500 spine at 50#'s rat'

[kat]

I would also go with the .500's. I think you would be on the stiff side with .400's.
With 200 or 250 grains and a standard aluminum insert, you need the added deflection IMHO.

[maineac]

I just tuned some .500 ICS with standard inserts and 3 4" fletch and wraps, 200 grain points for a 46# Thunderchild.  Had to cut them down to 29.5".  I like them.  The only problem is finding some 2013's to foot them.

[Zradix]

Sounds like I'm right on the tipping line between the two.

hhmmmm..

[Friend]

Would estimate that 250 grains up front using the ICS 500 Bowhunters would be close.

[Medley]

Here is where I get confused. I posted above, sayingi am shooting .400s full length with 125gr up front. Bow is marked 47@28, but I am shooting 50@29.

I bareshaft pretty good with these. Why do I seem so different?

[Friend]

Medley....PM me the full specs of your bow and arrow set-up. Possibly I may be to shed some light on your findings.

[kat]

Medley... A big factor is the bow you are using. The bow here is a Great Northern. This will tell you how close, or how much past center it is cut. Bows cut past center the most will be more forgiving of spine, and will generally accept a stiffer spined arrow.

[Zradix]

Well...
I just ordered some 500's from Big Jim.
Great guy to deal with.
Too bad I couldn't go with some GT blems...30" is just a hair too short..

Just a disclaimer for Jim here..
he was telling me I'm kinda right on the line between a 500 spine and a 600.
Couldn't find 600's long enough that would fit my budget so 500's it is.

Thanks for all the help everyone

Sure would be a killer set up if I can get away with these and 200 grain points like maineac.
...250's wouldn't be too shabby either ....

just praying I don't need 300grain tips...  

[maineac]

Good luck!  I hope you can use the 200 grains.

[JamesKerr]

I would think you would need a 500 spine with your bow.

[Cootling]

I shoot a Pronghorn longbow and Morrison ILF recurve, both about 55#.  I absolutely cannot shoot 400s, but 29" 500s with 250 grains up front fly like they've been shot down a pipe.

[BigJim]

Zradix is shooting 45lbs. out of a center cut bow, if he had a 28" draw, I would say .600 all the way but he has a 29" draw and this will put him closer to the .500 category.

Before the advent of the .600's, many guys had no choice but to go with the .500s and make them work however necessary. I think if those guys tried the .600's they would be much happier.

the pt weight has less significance than what most people give it credit for. Arrow length is far more critical.
bigjim