POLL - Are you now an ILF fan?

[eminart]

I'm new to this, but the whole reason I decided to get into traditional archery was to get away from technology. I realize every person will have to draw their own lines as to where they want the technology to stop. You can shoot a wooden self bow, a laminated glass recurve, an ILF with aluminum riser, or a compound with an electronic sighting system. They're all perfectly fine in their own rights. For what I like, I draw the line at laminated, one-piece bows. That's what I like now (after many years with a compound).

[old_goat2]

I voted the third choice, just got first complete ILF  bow and it seems pretty nice, bought the bow as a backup for my wife primarily, at least that's what I told her;). Want to get a heavier and longer set of limbs and see what i think of it then.

[sawtoothscream]

Originally posted by eminart:
I'm new to this, but the whole reason I decided to get into traditional archery was to get away from technology. I realize every person will have to draw their own lines as to where they want the technology to stop. You can shoot a wooden self bow, a laminated glass recurve, an ILF with aluminum riser, or a compound with an electronic sighting system. They're all perfectly fine in their own rights. For what I like, I draw the line at laminated, one-piece bows. That's what I like now (after many years with a compound).

no cams or sights = trad for me. Metal or wood riser, one piece, take down or ILF. ILF really isnt huge tech its just the way the limbs are set up. like a 3 piece bow except better because you can adjust the draw weight a little, set the tiller right for your style and it makes it easier to tune and you can pick the limbs that feels best to you instead of only having 1 limb option. In the end I want good accuracy when Im shooting at game and im not in a fashion show. I bought my fancy wood bow and I love it, but Im much happier when I shoot better with a ugly bow then shoot worse with a pretty bow. Just my thoughts on it      Still want to get me a D shaped one piece in the future though.

[GreyGoose]

Sounds like excellent technology for tunability and portability, but for me personally, a little further from the idea that pulled me back to traditional archery/bowhunting.  Not to cast aspersions - you still have to find 'em and hit 'em!

[YORNOC]

Originally posted by sawtoothscream:

Originally posted by eminart:
[qb]  but Im much happier when I shoot better with a ugly bow then shoot worse with a pretty bow.  [/b]

Heh, cant argue with that!!

[YORNOC]

And dont get me wrong....although my preferred hunting bows are not ILF, I still hunt with them and have taken a lot of animals with them.

I also like that many bowyers have this option available.

[riverrat 2]

I have had a bunch of ILF combos in recurve,and longbow form's. Once I got one tuned the way I liked,I did not want to switch it up again. That is what makes ILF nice is the ability to change the bow around. But,I found that I did'nt like having another set of limbs just lying around,so I bought another riser. I fell back into traditional laminated bows,because it is very basic. ILF is easily understood,and works well,but I just enjoy the simplicity of a laminated bow. No bolts,all wood beauty,etc.
They work well,but I got bored with them. rat'

[mark land]

I love pretty wood bows as well and never thought I would ever lay my BW bows down, but I have to say after shooting my Buffalo, I sold all my BW bows and will continue on with the adjustable ILF type bow systems, they are just the thing for me.  I love being able to fine tune every aspect of the bow to fit my shooting style and they really perform as well.
I know gadgets and technical stuff is what drew me away from the modern compound bows many years ago, but these new systems are very easy and reliable to adjust and gives me back some of that tickering I still love to do but with more reliability and forgiveness and with the lock down systems for all the adjustments I still only need to check my brace height and nock height and I am good to go!

[Blackhawk]

Some may think the poll questions were slanted to favor a particular outcome, and they could have been since I don't have an ILF system.  I owned a Morrison ILF 15" wood riser with Hoyt G-3 limbs a couple years ago, but sold it after it did nothing for me.

It was not too long ago when the predictions were common that the ILF would dominate.  The poll so far says it is popular and widely used.  

There are 20% who use it exclusively while more than 50% use it part time.  The rest of the group (about 30%) are staying away from it for now.  Just keep voting and let's see where this leads.

[Bear Heart]

I don't see how an ILF is seen as dreaded technology and the Bear limb attachment is not.  You can get wood ILF risers and metal risers have been around for a loooong time.

[Chromebuck]

Concept is genius.  Just doesn't turn my crank and I have owned a beautiful moccasin backed foam core longbow version.  Limbs were crooked when I first assembled and I had to figure out the set screws for tweeking and adjusting.  Had I had a mentor in the ILF world perhaps my experience would have been more favorable.

Hypethetically the weakest link that I saw with ILF was for on the ground spot and stalk hunting. A trip and fall that unbraced the bow could lead to the limbs falling right out of the riser sockets.  Unstrung they just kind of wiggle around loosely.  Didn't care for that scenario.  Take a two piece or one piece laminated bow based on that alone.

That said, I do acknowledge their versatility and application.

~CB

[reddogge]

There's probably more hardware on a Bear takedown riser than an ILF. I personally don't see that much difference in athetics between a Bear takedown, ILF and a common takedown bow.

[sawtoothscream]

Originally posted by Chromebuck:
Concept is genius.  Just doesn't turn my crank and I have owned a beautiful moccasin backed foam core longbow version.  Limbs were crooked when I first assembled and I had to figure out the set screws for tweeking and adjusting.  Had I had a mentor in the ILF world perhaps my experience would have been more favorable.

Hypethetically the weakest link that I saw with ILF was for on the ground spot and stalk hunting. A trip and fall that unbraced the bow could lead to the limbs falling right out of the riser sockets.  Unstrung they just kind of wiggle around loosely.  Didn't care for that scenario.  Take a two piece or one piece laminated bow based on that alone.

That said, I do acknowledge their versatility and application.

~CB

So if you fell and the string came off?  my limbs hold pretty good and I think I would really need to smash it hold for a issue.  even then if the limbs popped out you can just put them back on and brace it back up like you would a one piece.  Maybe I dont understand the situation.

[Chromebuck]

[/QUOTE]So if you fell and the string came off?  my limbs hold pretty good and I think I would really need to smash it hold for a issue.  even then if the limbs popped out you can just put them back on and brace it back up like you would a one piece.  Maybe I dont understand the situation. [/QUOTE]

I have only owned one ILF so maybe the tightness the limbs fit into different risers varies.  My point is that an accident in the field with a laminated bow requires one action not the potential of three actions or possibly more.  

Please readers, in my short tenure with TG this topic can bring the bowyers out of the woodwork.  This is only my oppinion.  I simply envision plungers and springs flying through the air and that is really one of the biggest reason I returned to traditional.  ~CB

[awbowman]

I'll take a 1-piece long bow

BUT, I do think a 2-piece will one day be in my hands.  Probably just to have, but all the same there.

[sawtoothscream]

Originally posted by Chromebuck:

So if you fell and the string came off?  my limbs hold pretty good and I think I would really need to smash it hold for a issue.  even then if the limbs popped out you can just put them back on and brace it back up like you would a one piece.  Maybe I dont understand the situation. [/QUOTE]

I have only owned one ILF so maybe the tightness the limbs fit into different risers varies.  My point is that an accident in the field with a laminated bow requires one action not the potential of three actions or possibly more.  

Please readers, in my short tenure with TG this topic can bring the bowyers out of the woodwork.  This is only my oppinion.  I simply envision plungers and springs flying through the air and that is really one of the biggest reason I returned to traditional.  ~CB [/b][/QUOTE]

dont need a rest or plunger, I shoot off the shelf with great results. The limbs pop in so fast its really wouldnt be a huge issue, maybe a extra 10 seconds.  But anyways use what you have the most confidence in so you have no worries while in the field. Im just glad there are so many options and good bowyers out there today to suite every bodies needs.

[YORNOC]

Originally posted by Bear Heart:
I don't see how an ILF is seen as dreaded technology and the Bear limb attachment is not.  You can get wood ILF risers and metal risers have been around for a loooong time.

Who ever said the Bear TD system is NOT dreaded technology? I'm sure it definitely is to some.  

[Chromebuck]

Perhaps it would be more insightful to add the experience I had where I attempted to get the limbs to fit tighter by opening up(partialy unscrewed)the spring loaded plunger to close the void in the socket.  The next time I took the limbs off one of the plungers sprung off and onto my shop floor.  As I said perhaps a more veteran ILF users help would have changed all this...

Sawtoothscream,

I'm refering to the spring loaded disc that fits inside the ILF aluminum sockets.  Not a plunger rest.

~CB

[JohnV]

"Who ever said the Bear TD system is NOT dreaded technology? I'm sure it definitely is to some."

I have always found it interesting/amusing that any innovations introduced by Bear Archery were considered ok and traditional and accepted without reservation but if an innovation came from elsewhere all the sudden it was questionable.

[JParanee]

Simply put on a performance level my ILF rigs with BF limbs are performing at a level my other customs are having to be 5 pounds heavier to achieve

I am shooting arrows that spine for bows heavier than my ILF rig would seem to dictate

I'm comparing these rigs to some customs that are known for there performance