Catskill Longbow, if you stay on site you need to get there reaaaal early to get a decent camping spot. I used to go as early as Monday or Tuesday and the last couple of years the good spots we used were already taken by then. I will not be going this year as I do not have the time to spend all week there just to get a camping spot and don't wish to spend a week in porta johns. That may be the reason many are staying off grounds. May go again next year but ETAR became too much hassle for me.