Miller longbow - all wood vs glassed?

[Ric O'Shay]

Ted -

Other than personal preference, there is no reason to be scared of the "narrow" handles of the Miller or other Hill style bows. I heard somewhere that Howard preferred the narrow/thin handle because it helped him to get the same grip or hand placement of the handle each and every time. Howard, I believe, understood that folks are different. In his book, Hunting The Hard Way, he states, "the handle section can be fashioned into any shape that fits the hand of the archer who is to shoot the bow." Whatever floats your boat.....

Rossco7002 - it is 66" 55# @ 28".

Danny

[Rossco7002]

Very nice!! 9 months seems like a long way away - you must be chomping at the bit waiting for it to arrive.....

[Tajue17]

very good info,,, I talked to dave and he said its 10 months out..  he doesn't get too detailed in the e-mail but I'm stuck on the fenc about a string follow which I really really want but should I get glass for more durability, speed, just not sure.... wish I could try all 3 side by side..

[Ric O'Shay]

Ross -

It's been awhile.....        

but ya' know, I think I can almost hold my breath till next week.    

[Overspined]

Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:
Ted -

Other than personal preference, there is no reason to be scared of the "narrow" handles of the Miller or other Hill style bows. I heard somewhere that Howard preferred the narrow/thin handle because it helped him to get the same grip or hand placement of the handle each and every time. Howard, I believe, understood that folks are different. In his book, Hunting The Hard Way, he states, "the handle section can be fashioned into any shape that fits the hand of the archer who is to shoot the bow." Whatever floats your boat.....

Rossco7002 - it is 66" 55# @ 28".

Danny

Every time I think I will do something different than Howard, I find later that he seemed to have found the best way...and learn my lesson!  It's happened over multiple issues... If you can copy how he shot, and do it well, you'll probably be a successful archer.  Maybe no Howard, but a solid archer.  I sure wish I could shoot heavy bows like he did.  It would eliminate a lot of misses low at longer ranges.

[Tajue17]

hey Ric sorry I missed your post about the grip and your right but have you ever been in that position where you know what you like but your also thinking "what if this new shape is better" so you know you'll never get to hold one first and you have to decide if its a decent 1200 dollar gamble--> stay with what works or seek something better that may never be found..

also if its 10 months that gives me a couple months to decide so the bow will be ready just in time for deer season next year.

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by swampthing:
You could just don a 10 strand padded loop fast flight string to make up the distance in speed, as the expedition is dacron only.
     

My Expedition arrived today. Included with it was a FF string, and a Dacron string.
The Expedition shoots both.
also,
David, today told me he prefers Dacron in general, for both wood and glassed bows, because switching from wood to glass bows, FF strings would put his arrows high.

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Anybody got any pics of an Expedition they can post up? I'd particularly like to see some pics of the back and belly of the bow as well as the riser....

I just got mine today, and will photograph it tomorrow ... my first day with it. I will post them

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by swampthing:
Here is a Hawk, just imagine some black glass over the back.  

The Expedition is the same bow profile, only with glass.

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by Tajue17:
very good info,,, I talked to dave and he said its 10 months out..  he doesn't get too detailed in the e-mail but I'm stuck on the fenc about a string follow which I really really want but should I get glass for more durability, speed, just not sure.... wish I could try all 3 side by side..

Why don't you visit David ? When you see them in front of you, making a decision is easier.
  re .... "I'm stuck on the fenc about a string follow which I really really want but should I get glass for more durability, speed, just not sure...."
if you say string follow is what you really want, why doubt yourself ?  you want string follow ... get string follow ..
I believe,"first thought, is best thought."
btw ...
It makes no difference which type you pick; Why? because the next one you get will be the other type.....
They are all good !

[Rossco7002]

Congrats on getting your bow Ralphie. Looking forward to the pics.

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Perhaps it would be in my interests to go with the Expedtion if I'm looking for a go-to bow that I can hunt a variety of species with without having to really jack up the draw weight....

I really wish that the back of the bow didn't HAVE to be black though.....

For me .. I would have preferred brown glass. And David (in the beginning of my wait told me "fine". But later into my wait during a conversation, (he has a lot of conversations ...), he said black glass was the only option.
His reason was that glass over the contours of the bamboo had only worked out 100% of the time with the black glass.
(Apparently, he tried other than black, and the glass had not worked.    ... ?) . He must know.)
I learned to love the black!

The bow is named "Blackie"

Will do "drop dead" shots today

[Rossco7002]

C'mon! Where's the pics already! Lol

[Kentucky Jeff]

The first time I saw Howard's Bow that Dave has with the narrow handle I looked at it and said--damn, that can't be comfortable.  But then I held it and understood completely!  

One of the top 7 components of good archery form is a repeatable grip that sits in your hand the same way every time!  

When you hold Howard's grip it goes exactly the same place in your hand every time.  You feel that narrow ridge and know right away if its where it should be or out of position.    It was a revelation!

Contrast that with most bow grips where you often struggle to keep a consistent grip or position in your hand and have to make a conscious effort to maintain that grip from shot to shot.

[lefty4]

Ralphie,

If we don't see some pics real soon, there is going to be a lynch mob headed to New York with a big can of Whoop Ass!

LOL

[Goshawkin]

Originally posted by lefty4:
Ralphie,

If we don't see some pics real soon, there is going to be a lynch mob headed to New York with a big can of Whoop Ass!

LOL

Everyone meet at my house,then we just have to cross the state line.I've got a few pitchforks and clubs,but you'll need your own torches.  

[lefty4]

What time?

[Ralphie]

 
 
 
 
 

[Ralphie]

Shot it all day.
I have to say it is in all ways equal or better than my Old Tom, and my Sage. The Expedition is most like the Old Tom. But I think more accurate .... for me this first day, anyway.
I cannot see how I will not use it as the go to bow, right away.
Miller has topped himself with this Expedition.
I am thinking now to order a Hawk.
phew.

[Ralphie]

Couple more ....
     please no hoods ........

   
   
 
     
   
   
I did my best for you guys, to show the build details,  ..  which I find stunning.