Miller longbow - all wood vs glassed?

[lefty4]

Well OK Ralphie. The pictures were worth waiting for. What a bow!

I am jealous. But I must say that the arrow rest is on the wrong side!

Thanks for the pics!

[JohnI]

Nice bow, that is how it went with me after the Expedition I had to have the Hawk.

[Rossco7002]

Nice! I'm beginning to get the feeling I won't stop with just one of Dave's bows either.......

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Ralphie,

Your new bow looks stunning. I have an order with Mr. Miller and isn't scheduled for delivery until February, so I have some time to decide on the specifics of the bow, like Hawk or Expedition.    

I am very interested in your overall opinion on your choices for this bow, I would like your thoughts on:
String follow vs reflex?  
Glass vs no glass?  

Again, a stunning bow and great pictures.
Joe

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by JohnI:
Nice bow, that is how it went with me after the Expedition I had to have the Hawk.

I thought about it, and it seemed like the Split Bamboo might be better than a Hawk for the next bow.
I have an Expedition in glass now, a Sage, and an Old Tom.
It seems like a Split Bamboo would be more of a "different thing".
forgive for this analogy .....
With photography, getting a second lens had to always make sense. It should never be so close in focal length to not be a dramatic difference. It should be very different ... (to me anyway).
The Split Bamboo would be different.
 Like the Sage is different than the Old Tom, and both are different than the Expedition..
 All the bows I have are (to me, and for me ... "equal", in my mind.).
By equal I mean, "as good as" ..... from a quality ... shooting point of view.
Each one stands alone.
The same standard I have always used to judge the validity of my photo images.
Each new one, has to be to me as good as everything else I have ever done.
So until I change my mind, ( have a year at least with Miller's popularity !)
Until then it is a Split Bamboo next.
and the following year a Hawk

[JohnI]

Dave's Split Bamboo model is the smoothest sweetest shooting bow he makes imho I have one of them also.  You wouldn't be able to tell one apart from the Hawk appearance wise, but the performance isn't quite as good as the Hawk. They are though the sweetest shooting of all Dave's bows, and as accurate as any of them.

[Ralphie]

Joe, re;
"I am very interested in your overall opinion on your choices for this bow, I would like your thoughts on:
String follow vs reflex?
Glass vs no glass?
I think I have been lucky, by stumbling upon Miller bows. So far they have all been fine. Miller's different models, all have a lot different about them, in shooting characteristics, and often in looks.
My experience is limited to the bows I have; an Old Tom, glassed 45# backset, straight grip 45@28 68"
Sage 68" 50@28 straight grip,string follow.
And now the Expedition 46@28 straight grip backset.
Ok
With wood, all wood bows I would go string follow or straight
With glassed bows I would go backset, or straight.

I have no preference glassed or all wood.
Going from shooting, say, an Old Tom one day, to a Sage the next day, it always takes me a couple of arrows to reset mentally how I shoot.
in general ... for me
I find my experience says, for me, the glass bow is faster, and flatter shooting.
A wood bow, (and string follow is all I have) .......a wood bow is slower,    (especially so a string follow one) .....and smoother.
ie.
When I was offered the 50# Sage, used, I hesitated ..... I am 45- 47# shooter .......   not , never , ever... 50# ...
 ok     but I went for it anyway.
what a dream to shoot !
 No problem the 50#. I was kind of shocked about that. I asked David why is the sage 50# easy. He said string follow makes drawing easier to begin with and smoother on release. I cannot do a 50# recurve !
In closing; follow you instinct. Get what you really want. Try what you don't know, if you have time.
But one way or another "no worries" is the order of the day.

I see they zapped my photos above.
The link
   
 goes to the photo bucket albums. (please excuse the HH Redman, in with the group ......lol   )

[Rossco7002]

No need to excuse the Redman Ralphie, it's a sweet looking bow too!

What differences do you see between the HHA bows and Miller ones?

[Ralphie]

I am sorry you misunderstood,  .. I was joking.

[Rossco7002]

As was I. Lol ;-)

[Ralphie]

I wonder why the pictures were deleted ?

[Rossco7002]

I actually love the looks of that Redman. I've got a Cheetah styled in a similar way (ebony riser with wine colored wrap to match the juniper limbs) which is my best shooting bow.

[Ralphie]

Sorry,
I am just a little bummed out about the pictures being deleted.
That was hard work.
 Looks like it was for nothing

[khardrunner]

Looks like a photobucket issue, not tradgang

[Ralphie]

How do you figure that?

[Ralphie]

Let's see if this comes out
   
   
 
 

maybe it was photobucket   ...?

[Ron Roehrick]

Thats a beauty Ralpie David is a Master without a doubt. You made a great choice. I have a couple of his hawks and they sre really dead in hand hardly handshock to speak of and feel different than glassed bows. I would love to own an expedition, maybe someday... Ron.

[khardrunner]

I figured it out based on the icon showing where your pics used to be. They indicate a broken link or missing file

[Ralphie]

Thanks Keith !

I figured out that    I    caused the photos to be deleted. In photobucket I moved the photos into sub albums. That caused the delete. What an idiot I am !

Ron,
thanks!

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by Rossco7002:
I actually love the looks of that Redman. I've got a Cheetah styled in a similar way (ebony riser with wine colored wrap to match the juniper limbs) which is my best shooting bow.

The Cheetah I had was fitted with a wedge grip, which I could not get used to. But is was a beautiful bow otherwise.
I would like one day to find a Cheetah with a straight grip.
I like yew, for both the way it shoots, and looks. The Redman is a fine yew HHA bow.
Millers and HHA's are just different. For me they are both 100% worthwhile to own and shoot.