Hill Style bow dimensions

[Trad Longbow Joe]

I am interested in the overall dimensions of your Hill style bows.  Here are my two current Hill bows:
Howard Hill Wesley 60# @ 27": 1/2" deflex, 16" riser length, 1 1/16" riser width & 15/32" at knock.
Howard Hill Big Five 70# @ 28": 1/2" reflex, 15" riser, 1 1/8" riser width & 1/2" at knock.
What are some of your bows specs, Miller, Sunset, Schultz, Pete George, Northen Mist and others?

[Sam McMichael]

All my Hill bows are 68 inches long. 2 Wesley Specials at 65@28, 1 Big Five at 50@28, 1 Cheetah at 40@28, 1 Cheetah at 55@28. I draw a hair over 27", so I don't quite get the rated draw.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Sam, I am interest in everyone's bows' dimensions, width of the limbs at the riser and tips, riser length and amount of deflex or string follow?

[Brianlocal3]

I am very interested in this thread. I'll measure my Union Jack when I get back in town

[Trad Longbow Joe]

It may be interesting to list the bows year if known.  I am wondering how much overall difference there is between different bows by the same manufacturers and between different manufacturers.  Do the bow's dimension vary based on the bow draw weight?  I like the traditional thick (deep) and thin ( narrow) limb bows and am wondering what is the average for each now maker.

[SportHunter]

You might want to standardize the data for easier comparison or tracking.

NTN length
Marked Draw weight and length
Riser length
Limb thickness, at riser, mid limb, at nock
Limb width at riser, mid limb, at nock
Handle width, depth, length, crosscut shape, type
Bowyer
Est. age or year of build
Number of lams
Limb core woods
Limbs trapped or not....on and on.....

This might be too detailed for some but it would be excellent data for many. You could also design a form to fill out to make it easier for those helping with detailed specs.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Thanks SportHunter, good input. Not sure how to post a form in the thread.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

No body wants to participate?

[Goshawkin]

Timberline "BamYew",by Pete George backset,straight grip 66" 66#@27"(I draw 26")
1 bamboo limb lam,2 yew under brown glass,back&belly.
at riser=1/2" thick,1-1/16" wide
at nock=3/8" thick, 7/16" wide
My favorite Hill style bow that I've shot,I love this bow!
I've got 4 more Hill style bows that I'll measure for you also.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Great thanks Goshawkin,  

I plan on putting all this information that gets posted here on a spreadsheet and send it to all those that participate.  I am hoping we get a lot of participation for a real good overview!

Joe

[deathwind]

I can give you the dimensions of my HH longbow handle. The handle depth is 2 1/4" without any dish. I measured directly below the grip on the handle ,below the leather and it was 2 1/8". The width of the handle is 7/8". And the shelf is the same size as my wood arrows with the little piece of leather that is stuck under the grip leather. I love that handle. Dave Wallace of Wallace Mountain Longbows, overhauled it to these dimensions for me.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

New to me Schulz American Longbow-
NTN = 68"
Deflex = 5/8"
Draw Wt = 64# @ 28"
4 laminations of bamboo, brown glass back & belly
Riser = 1/2" thick, 1-1/16" wide
Nock = 3/8" thick, 3/8" wide
Handle is 2 3/8" deep slight dish, 1-3/16" wide
Nocks are very small, much smaller than my HH bows.

[Goshawkin]

Joe,good deal on that Schulz bow!
The nock width measurement was taken on the limb before the overlay.It is 3/8" at the string groove.The depth of the handle is 2 3/16" and the width is 1 3/16". Comparing our measurements I guess you can tell Mr.George was a graduate of Mr.Shulz's bow building school!
Compared to my H Hill's the Timberline's tips are quite a bit smaller with more limb taper.
L-R,Timberline,Wesley special and Black Bear
   
The Timberline's handle is deeper also.
L-R blackBear,WesleySpecial,Timberline
 

[Brianlocal3]

Belcher Union Jack 57@28
NTN: 66"
Width: riser 1 1/4" tip, 3/8
Thickness. Riser 5/8 tip 3/8
Handle 4 1/8 "long. 2 1/8 deep 1 1/8 wide. Cut 3/16-1/8 before center ( not center cut)
Measurements taken with a stick rule.
1/2" string follow

[Brianlocal3]

Oh, riser length from end of fade to end of fade 15"

[SportHunter]

I measured up three bows for this thread today, I'll email you full specs.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Good stuff so far, I hope we get a variety of bows to compare.  The more we get the better the comparison. Keep them coming guys.

[Brianlocal3]

I wish more would play! I would love to see some more numbers. The NM I owned had 1" wide limbs at the fade. That's all I remember other than I will own another

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Originally posted by Goshawkin:
Joe,good deal on that Schulz bow!
The nock width measurement was taken on the limb before the overlay.It is 3/8" at the string groove.The depth of the handle is 2 3/16" and the width is 1 3/16". Comparing our measurements I guess you can tell Mr.George was a graduate of Mr.Shulz's bow building school!
Compared to my H Hill's the Timberline's tips are quite a bit smaller with more limb taper.
L-R,Timberline,Wesley special and Black Bear
   
The Timberline's handle is deeper also.
L-R blackBear,WesleySpecial,Timberline
   

Nick,
Very sweet looking bows, especially Mr. George's, very much the same lines as my Schulz.
Joe

[SportHunter]

Here are specs for three Hill style bows.

Bow Name/Label:   Howard Hill,   Northern Mist,   Northern Mist
Model:   Tembo,   Classic TD,   Shelton
NTN:   68'',    68'',    66''
Nock Width:  1/4'',    5/16'',  5/16''
Profile:   Backset 1''   , Very Slight R/D   , String Follow 1 1/8''
Lams/Type:   3 Bamboo,   4 American Elm,   4 Bamboo
Riser Width:   1 1/8',   1'',   1 1/8''
Handle Depth:   2 1/4'' to 2 3/16'' on dished grip,   2 1/8'',   2 1/8''
Handle Shape:   Slight dish/Oblong,   Straight/Oval,   Straight/Oval
Handle Width:   1 1/4'',   1 1/16'',   1 1/8''
Riser Length:   15'',   16'',   15 1/2''
Limb width at nock:   7/16'',   1/2'',   1/2''
Limb width at midlimb:   15/16'',   7/8'',   7/8''
Limb width at riser:   1 1/8'',   1 1/8'',   1 1/8''
Limb depth at nock:   3/8'',   3/8'',   3/8''
Limb depth at midlimb:   7/16'',   7/16'',   7/16''
Limb depth at riser:   1/2'',   1/2'',   1/2''
trapped etc.:   Trapped to belly,   Trapped to back,   Trapped to back
Bowyer:   John Schulz,   Steve Turay,   Steve Turay
Est. Year Built:   1970s,   2011,   2009
Marked Specs:   64# @ 26'',   56# @ 28'',   56# @ 28''