Hill Style bow dimensions

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Great stuff SportHunter, I will be sure to put this on the spreadsheet.  Help me out with Trapped, what do you mean by this?

[SportHunter]

Trapped (trapezoid) changes a rectangular shaped limb to a rectangular limb with unequal length sides. You could have a wider belly or back of the limb.  Trapped to back has narrower back, trapped to belly has narrower belly.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

SportHunter, got it, thanks.  I haven't seen a longbow trapped to the back, all the ones I have seen are rectangled (rounded) or trapped to the belly.  My new to me Schulz is trapped to the belly.  My Hills are rounded edges with the glass about the same size on the back & belly.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Any other Hill type bow owners out there want to provide info?  The more we have the more information we all can share.

[Brianlocal3]

This is very interesting. Thanks for all the good info

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Anyone else want to give up their bow info?

[khardrunner]

If i can figure out how to do all the measurements ill try to get schulz specs for you

[Trad Longbow Joe]

khardrunner, that would be great, the more the merrier!
Joe

[rmorris]

Looks like this post kinda fizzled out but I have a few questions... How much longer is the top limb on a hill bow than the lower limb?

I ask this because I assume the standard grip of a hill bow is around 4-4.5" long.. The arrow shelf being at the top of the grip would easily put the shelf at 2" above the center of the bow. IMO that would require some fun tillering or a longer top limb...

Also am I correct that the grip is roughly 4-4.5"? My local archery shops never have any hill bows in stock for me to look at.

[SportHunter]

Originally posted by rmorris:
Looks like this post kinda fizzled out but I have a few questions... How much longer is the top limb on a hill bow than the lower limb?

I ask this because I assume the standard grip of a hill bow is around 4-4.5" long.. The arrow shelf being at the top of the grip would easily put the shelf at 2" above the center of the bow. IMO that would require some fun tillering or a longer top limb...

Also am I correct that the grip is roughly 4-4.5"? My local archery shops never have any hill bows in stock for me to look at.

Two of my hills have 4 1/8" long handles and one is 4 1/4". The leather is slightly larger by ~1/8"

[DWilhelm]

The lower limb on my 68" Big 5 is 1.5" shorter than the upper limb.  I think that is pretty much standard regardless of bow length, though I could be wrong.

[rmorris]

Thanks for the information.

[ChuckC]

How close to center cut are Hill bows ?  Anyone got any close up pix of a Hill style handle. . side and front / back views that they can post ?

Anybody got any experience installing a two piece metal sleeve (take down sleeves) unit into a Hill style handle ?
ChuckC

[cahaba]

The true center of a Howard Hill and other Hill type bows should be about center of where your middle finger is on the handle. I replaced the leather on my new Half Breed and sure enough there was a mark with a pencil dead center of where my middle finger placement was on the handle. Its 1 1/2" below the shelf. Great info. I will get my 3 bows measurements and post soon.

[ChuckC]

David  thanks.   !.25 to 1.5" above center line is a pretty standard location for the shelf. How about the other center. . . ?

Is the shelf cut to the centerline of the bow's width or beyond (or shy of it).  If you look at a strung bow, you can imagine the center line of each limb and see how the string, held over that line, compares to the shelf cut out on the riser.

Hill bows are kinda skinny and I don't believe that they are cut PAST center, I wonder if they are even cut TO center ?
ChuckC

[cahaba]

Hey  Chuck they are cut close to 1/8" before center. I shoot without a sideplate and it really helps them shoot better.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Here is a list of the few that participated!

 

[ewoodie]

Thx for all the info, after 28 years I, dust of my Howard Hill books,
And hooked again on archery, want to make a string follow easy to shoot, forgiving bow.

After Howards words, for hunting a sensitive bow does't  works.

I have an Martin ML 10 50# longbow is there interest for the dimensions?

[Rob DiStefano]

imho, all that matters with a hill style american flat longbow design is how the limbs are set (straight, string follow or reflex), the nock-to-nock length, the handle shape, and the cut depth of the shelf.  riser length, limb core materials, glass, holding weight - all are important, too, but in a separate category.  the other dimensions are best left to the bowyer.  ymmv.

This does show more or less some of the numbers that bows have.  My bows have some differences.  Measurements of a loaded bow at brace are one thing, measurements at full draw can be another.  While limb timing is easily felt, measurements at brace are not a guarantee.  Bows with completely different specs can all have good limb timing.  I can flip my new bow upside down and it shoots identical as right side up.  The bows static measurements showed that it was possible and it is.