Originally posted by TimDougan: Thanks for the input guys i looked at the Timbertall at the ETAR. Not sure about the rail getting in the way Urbandeerslayer let me know how you like it. Vter the woods are not real big 500 to 2500 acres so out walking some one is tough. Good advise though and has worked for me in other locations.I am leaning towards a hang on and muddy steps. Thanks. TD.