Tim, I know exactly what you are talking about. I use to be in a club close by home that if a deer stuck his head out during gun season , he was toast. Property was sold 4 years ago and new owner did not lease to the club. After some really selective logging and being lucky enough to have met the new owner and done some work for him, the time off has done wonders for the deer. I've passed a bunch of nice young 2 1/2 to 3 1/3 yr old bucks this year on this piece. Hell , I been trying to shoot a doe since the season came in and can't get a shot at one. It's a good problem to have. too many small bucks.