What ever happened to a Cedar arrow & 125gr BH

[buckeye_hunter]

I have 125's on carbon arrows. I use carbon because they last for a long time. I tuned my arrows for 125 grain heads because they are easy to find. I have shot through a deer and a bear with that set up.

[Rob W.]

I think a turkey fletched cedar tipped with a Zwickey is a thing of deadly beauty.

I shoot CE and heavy VPA's becuase they are also effective and bomb proof.

Life is compromise.

I try not to worry about keeping up with the trends whether they be the "ever advancing" ones or the "Let's do it old school" ones. My hunting outlook and equipment is a lot of both.


Rob

[redant 60/65]

Mark that's the beauty of this sport, you can start out shooting a home made bow and arrows work  your way up through longbow,recurve,compound, and then start all over again.same with the arrows,point,releases, isn't great.
(you have got to much time on your hands my friend)      Redant

[Hit-or-Miss]

Although I have used alum. and carbon in the past (as well as POC), two weeks ago I tagged out with a Zwickey Eskimo on a cedar shaft.

  What did the arrow weigh? I don't know, nor do I care and I don't think the deer cared either, as the vintage Red Wing Hunter zipped it home!

[DesertDude]

I want to say this, This post was never ment to say what is better than the other....

This was me just thinking back when I started and guys like "Redant60/65, Rex, Bill, And Ken Hobbs were showing me the ropes and that's what they used.  A wood/aluminium arrow tipped with a 125gr bh. I was not trying to single out what type of wood shaft or bh type.

Just me remembering when.........

I love this sport/way of life, I love all types of Traditional Equiptment... Just remembering When.......

DD

[David Mitchell]

Originally posted by psychmonky:

Cue angry cries of "he's bashing the proud native americans!" Im not. They were survivors and they used THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOLS THEY HAD AVAILABLE. Why shouldn't we do the same? [/b]

That's exactly why compound shooters can't understand why we use such "limited" weapons.  

[Hoyt]

I've always liked to change around and try different setups when it came to broaheads.

I started out back in the mid 60's with 125gr Bear and aluminum shafts..never shot wood shafts. But it didn't take me long before I was shooting Dead Heads and Goshawks. Can't remember what grain they were..140 or 160 I think.

I shoot Simmons 190gr Tree Sharks on carbon shafts now and really for the first time can't see myself switching to anything else.

[Sam McMichael]

DesertDude, I'm with you. I either shoot 125 or 145 grain broadheads, depending on which bow I'm using. I shoot 55# or 65# hunting bows and have found that arrow performance is very acceptable as long as it is tuned well. I have never been a great tinkerer, so fiddling with the FOC, adding weights, etc. just does not float my boat.

Maybe if I hunted the very large or dangerous game, I would re-think all of this, but with the whitetails at the distance I shoot, I already get plenty of penetration. You can only get two holes with a single arrow, one going in and one coming out the other side. The "standard" as you refer to it works just fine.

One other thought, I just may be too simple minded to grasp all the technical stuff.

[Stumpkiller]

Originally posted by DesertDude:
I fully understand the pro's and con's of carbon arrows with high FOC. Done that, Single bevel, that too, but when I started 125gr Field point/Broadhead was the standard. I shot my first critter with it, forward 20 years now I hear you need more BH weight.

  DD.....

Most of my hunting arrows are cedar & 125 (or 130 gr) broadhead tipped.  Same for target & blunts.  The rest are Douglas fir but still the same file sharpened single-blade double edged beveled file-sharpened heads.  

All I'll likely ever use.  I just happen to like making and shooting wood arrows.

[ti-guy]

Agree!

[Bonebuster]

I guess it comes down to time and money for me.

I LOVE building and shooting wood arrows, but I shoot alot, and carbon arrows have saved me alot of time and money...ALOT!!!

[AWPForester]

One tribe in New Guinea?  One tribe in the whole world bro?  I can find a white deer if I look for one but they are by no means the standard or the norm.  Bone and rock weigh a lot less than steel.  Pretty easy to determine.  American Indians took to the gun for the same reason you would have.  It doesn't prove anyone right or wrong.  It just proves that smaller, physically weaker people, shooting much less efficent bows, killed what Fanto claimed wasn't possible.

So there was no misleading with my earlier comment.  It was a simple and true statement.  One tribe?  They used the iron because it made better tips, not because it was heavier.          Basically, the same reason the Native Americans picked up the rifle.  Come on, you can see that.  It doesn't take a $30 broadhead and $15 arrow shaft to kill any animal.

And your idea of better has just as many test done by way more qualified people than me to show just the opposite of what you claim.  Some of them 50 years ago.  This high FOC isn't a new idea.     To each his own, and I mean that.  Come on, one tribe is all you could come up with, than say they used it because of weight versus pracical purposes?  Pretty much proves my point.  God Bless

[limbshaker]

It's awful hard to measure and compare penetration between a wood shaft/125gr and a carbon shaft/250gr head when both arrows are stickin in the dirt after blowing through a deer.        

There are a number of cedar arrows with 125 Zwickeys, Grizzlies and the Hunters Heads that were the 125 grain version stuck in the woods duff in northwest Iowa, after they flew through deer, shot by members of my family. If you find them I would like them back.

[False Cast]

Originally posted by pavan:
There are a number of cedar arrows with 125 Zwickeys, Grizzlies and the Hunters Heads that were the 125 grain version stuck in the woods duff in northwest Iowa, after they flew through deer, shot by members of my family. If you find them I would like them back.

You have a great way with words, Pavan.

I, for one, will be trying my first wood shafts, Surewood Douglas Firs, with 125 Eskimos up front this late-season. I cannot wait… especially since I finished the last bit of venison I had today!

[huntsman247]

Still what I use to date; if it ain't broke....

[R.Cogburn73]

Sometimes less is more and I like to keep it simple as long as its working.  I'll stick with poc.   If I didn't know a guy with 4000 shafts I would reconsider.

[Missouri Bowman]

I still shoot cedars and 125 or 130 Grizzlys. I just like the simplicity.

[Bow Ben AK]

When I start hunting Asiatic Buf I'll switch.

[Bow Ben AK]

When I start hunting Asiatic Buf I'll switch.