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Author Topic: AD Hammerhead collars.  (Read 229 times)

Offline capt eddie

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AD Hammerhead collars.
« on: November 24, 2012, 07:49:00 PM »
When I first started researching carbon arrows I read many good reports on the AD. Mainly the Hammerhead.  I got alot of good advise on how to setup the shafts.  Like using the collars and the nock adapters.  All this is great and has allowed my to shoot AD for 3 years now.  I have olny break one by hitting it with another arrow.  From the very beginning I noticed how hard they were to remove from any target material, because of the collars.  Different styles of arrows never gave me this problem.  After of trip to Mexico for javalina and predators , I find myself in need of more shafts.  When I got the shafts in I decided to try something different before I glued the 100 gr bradd insert in.  I shoot some arrows without the collars.  Wow what a difference it made in penetration.  I was shooting clean through all of my 3D targets and the netting that I have behind all the the targets.  I have to believe that this increase in penetration has to be the same on game.  So I used the inserts without the collars and have these set up with broadheads.  I will use these for hunting and keep the collared arrows for practice.  I thought that I would let everyone one about this so that you do not go 3 years shooting the collars before you figure it out like I did.
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Offline owlbait

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Re: AD Hammerhead collars.
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 08:48:00 PM »
Sure makes sense capt eddie, and you have some anecdotal experience to back it up! I always wondered how much those collars were needed, but here in Michigan where I shoot and hunt I don't run inot a lot of rocky terrain. Thanks for sharing your information.
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Offline Rock 'N Bow

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Re: AD Hammerhead collars.
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 09:35:00 PM »
Glad you mentioned this. I placed an order for Hammerheads and collars the other day. I think I will skip mounting the collars on my hunting arrows.
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Offline Alvey

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Re: AD Hammerhead collars.
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 09:50:00 PM »
That's what I do,put my collars on stumping arras only, practicly indistructable arrow with the collars
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Offline capt eddie

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Re: AD Hammerhead collars.
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 09:32:00 AM »
Owlbait.  The best example is the hog target that I practice with. It is a double layed foam 3d.  It has a core of a different foam then the outter body shaping.The arrows without the collars are getting complete pass throughs.  While the collared arrows are not.  They may come out of the back but not blowing through and hitting the other targets.  I do not have collars on my aluminum arrows and they do not pass through like the AD.  That might also be because the AD arrows weigh850 gr while the Easton weigh 735 gr.  All of the AD weigh 845 to 850.  In one volly of 15 arrows most of the uncollared out penetrate the collared and the aluminum.  I am shooting 2 blade Grizzly heads for now.  And I do beleive that hitting a bone he arrow would stop or be slowed down because of the resistance of the collar.
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Offline amar911

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Re: AD Hammerhead collars.
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 12:20:00 AM »
Well, I am going to disagree somewhat about the collars, although it is true that under some conditions the collars will slow penetration. Let's look at when that happens. If the field point is significantly smaller than the diameter of the collar, there will be a ledge behind the point that will simulate a flat plate surface as the collar passes through the target behind the smaller diameter field point. This will be even more prominent on a bag target where that same ledge will hit and break the threads of the bag. So in a target situation, you will get less penetration than if there is no ledge behind the field point. That is no big deal with foam targets, because the object of the target is to stop the arrow, not allow a complete pass-through.

Using a broadhead in a hunting situation is different. The effective diameter of a broadhead is much larger than that of a field point. As the broadhead slices through, it opens up the wound channel far more than a field point would, even in bone if the bone is fully penetrated (which is necessary to reach the vitals). Also, if the ferrule of the broadhead has a diameter large enough, then the collar does not create a ledge to slow penetration. An example of such a broadhead is the Tuffhead, which I have shot on the pointy end of my Hammerhead arrows. Those arrows out of my 70# Super Shrew Safari longbow penetrated all the way to the opposite side of Asiatic buffalo and scrub bull when shot through the heavy rib bones (no small feat). I don't think I could have obtained a lot better penetration with any other arrows, although one of the skinny shaft arrows, like an Easton Axis or FMJ, might have done somewhat better.

The front portion of the Hammerheads can and will fail on really hard impacts, as I have observed on multiple occasions. I have never had a collared Hammerhead fail on even the most extreme impact, and I've had mine hit many hard objects at close range from my bows, traveling at up to 170 fps at impact. I would rather have a nearly indestructible arrow than get a few inches of extra penetration that I don't even need. If all you are shooting are relatively soft bodied animals like deer, then forget the collars. I don't use them on my deer arrows either. But if you're going to be shooting hard-boned animals, then I think the collars are a good idea. They're also great for stump-shooting arrows.

So, if killing targets and deer is what you do, you don't need collars. If you are hunting the big stuff, think positively about the collars and just make sure you use an appropriate broadhead and have you arrows properly weighted and matched to your bow. For sure, don't hunt big, dangerous game with collared AD Hammerheads tipped with field points!!     :D    One of the great things about the AD shafts is how spine tolerant they are with their nice tapers.

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