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Author Topic: Jacked up Antler!  (Read 1136 times)

Offline Keefer

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Jacked up Antler!
« on: December 04, 2012, 05:28:00 AM »
I noticed on the 8 point post here in Pow wow a Buck Mike Mitten had gotten in the past with a jacked up/deformed side due to a broken leg injury...I wittnessed a buck at a outdoor show one day  where some fella raised his Bucks from Fawns and he had one with a bad deformed side...I asked the fella I had read and heard of reasons why but his buck looked healthy so why the bad side.. The owner explained to me he called his vet to come check him out and He said that year the buck got a piece of straw clipping from the pasture stuck on the opposite nostril of his nose and it got infected and caused the jacked up antler...So even though I have yet to harvest one if you have taken a "Traditional Only bow kill" buck with a deformed antler from an injury could you post a pic and to what side the injury was on and to what side of his antlers had the deform? Some folks may not of known this could of been the reason why one side of a bucks antler grew wild from an injury the buck may of had...Is it a Fact or Fiction? I am not the one to ask but from what I have seen in my life usally it's from an injury and the opposite side of the injury may of caused that deformed antler....Mike Mitten could you please post yours?  Thanks
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 08:34:00 AM »
We have had camera pics of this buck for 3 years.  Putting him at 4.5 we think he was injured as a button buck (his jawbone ages hin at 4.5).  His front left leg had a mass as big as a softball.  He weighed 215 and his front left leg never touched the ground.
 


Here is a pic of the front leg

 

Here is the position of the left leg I tried to straighten it but this is the way it heeled.

 

All the biologist that I talked to say it put so much stress on the animal that neither side grew properly

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 08:43:00 AM »
If I remember well I've red something on the subject in Gene Wensel's book.Weird how injury affect antler growth.
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 08:49:00 AM »
This is an interesting subject with some varied opinons. On Oct. 29th this year I passed up a good buck I probably should have taken. I had my reasons. One of my good friends, who is 72, finally drew an Iowa N/R tag after applying four years and was due to arrive the next day. I wanted him to at least get a crack at the buck. We named him Clubfoot because of an old healed injury to his rear left leg down near the hoof. I got over a half hour of great video footage of Clubfoot feeding from 15 to 25 yds. that evening. He never had a clue the boogie man was right there above him. I noticed he didn't walk with any apparent limp, but when standing/feeding he'd only rest his leg on the tip of his hoof so as not to bear weight. I almost shot Clubfoot as a "cull" in 2011 because I thought he wouldn't get any bigger. One evening in the early January late season he walked right under me. The only reason I didn't take him was the fact I only had one tag left and there was still at least one Booner in the neighborhood. Until this year I was under the impression a leg injury to a rear leg would neurologically cause a deformed antler on the opposite side of the injury. This is most often the case. But I also assumed the neurological deformity was permanent. After seeing Clubfoot and talking to two deer biologists I'm told the injury can heal and the deer can resume normal antler growth in a following year. If one of you computer gurus wants to forward pictures for me I'll be glad to document this case. Very interesting. BW

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 08:54:00 AM »
-----A common antler deformity results from damage to a deer’s front or rear leg. Rear leg injuries produce a “contralateral” antler deformity (malformed antler on the opposite side from the injury), possibly due to one side of the brain controlling the opposite side of the body. After a very serious leg injury, a buck may never produce a quality rack. Injury to a front leg may produce a malformed antler on either, both, or neither sides. Body injuries may or may not cause antler abnormalities.------

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 09:04:00 AM »
I had a history with this buck and passed it up a couple of years. He had a bad left leg that had healed. I assumed he would be messed up for the rest of his life. Its still a great buck to me regardless of score. He gave me great pleasure and nurishment in more ways than one. Mike

 

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 09:13:00 AM »
Well this deer I am currently hunting... I mean watching. I don't want to take him this year because I have not seen him walk lately. Last year he was a 5x5 with the stickers near the brow, but now he is "jacked up".  Well if you ask me I would say he injured his antlers on the left side while growing in velvet or he had some kind of an infection or illness. Without seeing him walk , I would guess and hope he will be normally HUGE next year. Ha!  He will be 5 1/2 next season if he is still alive. Our gun season is over now and I like to hunt late season and get surprised by the warriness of these bucks as they reveal themselves too me from time to time. Usually at last light. Ha!  Mike


 
 
 

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 09:17:00 AM »


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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 10:10:00 AM »
In ESENTIAL ENCOUNTERS,you guys have filmed a buck during summer that had some sort of a big pear shape antler hanging on one side,what is the reason for such an abnormality?
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 10:38:00 AM »
The buck at the top appears to have been chasing parked cars in velvet.

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 10:40:00 AM »
He wanted to be an Audad

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 11:01:00 AM »
ti-guy  We also wondered about that, but I would think it could ahve gotten damaged or at least it would not suport osiphication and get hard. Like some drop tines, there seemed to be pooled blood and very porous. In any event, I don't think that antler would survive velvet shedding as it was hanging and swinging as it was. It would just drop off.

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 11:43:00 AM »
I hunted a buck that had a typical 4 pt. right side and multiple beams and points coming straight out of his left side. The left side was very thick at the base.

  The interesting thing was that his antlers were covered in dried velvet in mid November. I didn't notice a limp.  I often wondered if he may have had an injury to his testicles, due to the fact that he still had the velvet on both sides.  Sorry, no pics.  I missed him twice!
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 11:56:00 AM »
I guess it explain half rack buck we see.Is it recommanded or preferable to take them?Are they suffering? It sure makes unique trophies but is there meat loss near the injured area?Thanx for the info guys,very interesting subject...
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 12:11:00 PM »
This guy was a typical eight last year. But this year he's wearing this. Suspect it's from an injury but his walk is fine and he has no visible signs of trauma.

 
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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 01:03:00 PM »
Usually the bone injury hapened the previous year and the bone is healed. They may limp a little, but seem to be doing normal deer activity. I would say the meat will be fine. But its a case by case issue.

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 03:14:00 PM »
Here is buck Barry passed up in 2011. Clubfoot. I will let Barry discribe these pictures.

 

Here is same buck in 2012!!!! This goes against my historical thinking, but I will let Barry describe what new information he has learned. Mike

 

 

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 04:17:00 PM »
Thanks Mike. The first photo shows Clubfoot in 2011.If you look close you can see the injury just above his left hind hoof. You can also see when standing he appears not to put weight on the bad leg. But when he walks he does not have any detectable limp. A couple other things to scrutinize. Notice in the bottom photo on the leg around the joint, near his tarsal, the skin seems to be bunched up like it's wrinkled or something. You can actually see it better on the video footage. Also notice the hair near the healed injury appears more white than usual for the front of the leg. Also notice the left hindquarter muscles/ham appear to be atrophied (withered) most likely from less use. This is interesting. But the most interesting part is he obviously grew a "normal" right antler after he healed from the stress and trauma of the initial injury. The deer biologists I talked with confirmed this happens sometimes. Until seeing this I was always under the impression the neurological injury and antler deformity would be permanent. I also can't decide on this bucks age. He might only be 3.5 in the first photo (2011) and 4.5 in 2012. Or he might not be filled out as much because of his injury. He might blossom into a real giant next year. He better not try to walk by me again though or I might lose control. It just shows no matter how long we're out in the timber we're always learning stuff. BW

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 04:26:00 PM »
I predict this will be the next craze in trophy buck management. "Strategic wounding to elicit desirable antler traits."    :knothead:    :bigsmyl:

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Re: Jacked up Antler!
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 05:47:00 PM »
Amazing how they adapt and healed themselves!  :)
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