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Author Topic: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar  (Read 3220 times)

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2013, 11:02:00 PM »
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2013, 12:45:00 PM »
Cool Beans!! Great deer and sounds like a great time spent with a GOOD man/bowhunter. Congrats to both of you!  :thumbsup:    :clapper:    :archer2:  

 I was lucky growing up in New Concord ohio and knowing and hunting with Jim Emerson, who was one of Rogers good hunting friends. I met Roger a few times when he and his familey where at Jims home. I was just a young kid at the time, but Jim always talked every highly of Roger as a good friend and a GREAT bowhunter.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2013, 01:01:00 AM »
Good job fellas!  I was fortunate to see and talk with Gene Wensel at Compton one year when Roger Rothaar "sidled up" to get in the conversation.  Nicer guys couldn't be found.
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2013, 10:03:00 AM »
Roger Rathaar is a tremendous writer in addition to one of the best whitetail hunters around.  I love his book "Whitetail Magic".  Great job on the recovery.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2013, 10:20:00 AM »
Pretty cool! Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2013, 10:22:00 AM »
I've read everything the man has written...twice ! Would love to meet him. Nice job.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2013, 10:27:00 AM »
what a story, what a deer and a good time you have  !!!

congrats to all the team from the shoot to the lunch !

bravo !
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2013, 11:32:00 AM »
Big relief to find him I am sure and a great memory for you.

But, I think we need more on the real hero of the story!  Tell us more about your dog.

We are looking for a new dog, and I would like to know more about yours and how many tracks she has been on and how much training she has had.  Two years old and pulled off following a 40 hour old track on a gut shot makes me think we need to consider one of those.
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2013, 12:22:00 PM »
I agree with the above post... The hero here is the dog and I would like to hear more about how you trained him, or was it natural.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2013, 12:26:00 PM »
Great job Shaun.......I bet Roger has forgot more about whitetails than most of will ever know. One of the best whitetail hunters, if not the best. His upbeat,postive attitude along with his humble nature really stands out in his writings.
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2013, 01:28:00 PM »
I think Shaun is out of town for a while (guiding/hunting for a month) so I'll answer a couple questions about the dog.

His dog and my dog are cousins (the mothers are full sisters) bred by the same lady in North Carolina.  These are standard sized (that is 15-20 lb) smooth haired dachshunds (Teckels) of European lineage.  These dogs are quintessential hunting dogs in Europe, although the wire haired version is more prevalent today than the smooth.  They are considered versatile hunting dogs.

The breeder breeds for a versatile hunting dog, and the traits that type of breeding promotes are the same traits that lead to a good blood tracking dog.  The natural ability is there, the focus, intelligence, and prey drive, and the owner/handler has to help develop that through training.  It is not a very difficult process - although takes a commitment of time and some understanding of dog behavior - with these dogs, and frankly you learn as much or more than the dog does with the training.  Eventually, if things work out, you become a tracking or hunting TEAM with the dog.

Dogs from this this bloodline very often will follow simple blood tracks at 8 weeks or less of age - the hunting is in thier nature - and to them it is not "following a scent line" but "killing something to eat".  The breeder works with the pups with deer meat/blood at a VERY young age and they show interest in the smell as soon as the eyes open.  Don't think of a beagle following a rabbit...think of a coyote following a wounded animal.  Our Oskar was doing 300+ yard practice tracks using diluted deer blood with multiple turns that were laid out 12 hours earlier by the time he was 10 weeks old.  He found his first real deer at 15 weeks old.  These dogs can be phenomenal trackers.  I would expect that a well trained and handled dog from this bloodline (and Shaun is a great handler) would readily complete this kind of a recovery (40 hour) at two years old.

You also have to forget alot of what you know about tracking from a human perspective - a gutshot, while not leaving alot of visible blood, leaves a profusion of scent for a dog - clear liquid, stomach/intestinal material etc.  Gutshot deer are among the easiest for a dog while hardest for a human to track.

One more thing to demonstrate the quality of this breeder's dogs - as of last Spring when we did the tests, our dog Oskar, and Shaun's dog's mother (Enyo) were the only dogs I'm aware of in the US that have passed both the VSwP 20 hour and 40 hour tests with 2 Prize 1 awards.  This is a very demanding blood tracking test used in Europe to assess both the dog's ability and the handler/dog teamwork.

Working with these dogs over the last several years has really opened our eyes to the possibilites and reality of a good blood dog.

Ryan

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2013, 02:37:00 PM »
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I think Shaun is out of town for a while (guiding/hunting for a month) so I'll answer a couple questions about the dog.

His dog and my dog are cousins (the mothers are full sisters) bred by the same lady in North Carolina.  These are standard sized (that is 15-20 lb) smooth haired dachshunds (Teckels) of European lineage.  These dogs are quintessential hunting dogs in Europe, although the wire haired version is more prevalent today than the smooth.  They are considered versatile hunting dogs.

The breeder breeds for a versatile hunting dog, and the traits that type of breeding promotes are the same traits that lead to a good blood tracking dog.  The natural ability is there, the focus, intelligence, and prey drive, and the owner/handler has to help develop that through training.  It is not a very difficult process - although takes a commitment of time and some understanding of dog behavior - with these dogs, and frankly you learn as much or more than the dog does with the training.  Eventually, if things work out, you become a tracking or hunting TEAM with the dog.

Dogs from this this bloodline very often will follow simple blood tracks at 8 weeks or less of age - the hunting is in thier nature - and to them it is not "following a scent line" but "killing something to eat".  The breeder works with the pups with deer meat/blood at a VERY young age and they show interest in the smell as soon as the eyes open.  Don't think of a beagle following a rabbit...think of a coyote following a wounded animal.  Our Oskar was doing 300+ yard practice tracks using diluted deer blood with multiple turns that were laid out 12 hours earlier by the time he was 10 weeks old.  He found his first real deer at 15 weeks old.  These dogs can be phenomenal trackers.  I would expect that a well trained and handled dog from this bloodline (and Shaun is a great handler) would readily complete this kind of a recovery (40 hour) at two years old.

You also have to forget alot of what you know about tracking from a human perspective - a gutshot, while not leaving alot of visible blood, leaves a profusion of scent for a dog - clear liquid, stomach/intestinal material etc.  Gutshot deer are among the easiest for a dog while hardest for a human to track.

Working with these dogs over the last several years has really opened our eyes to the possibilites and reality of a good blood dog.

Ryan
hello Ryan, good to see this kind of success in your country !

Here in France by exemple the blood tracker dog is a full part of the hunting world with a very serious national association called UNUCR . in each state you have a list of official blood dog driver (it's a hard process for the dog and his master to be graduate )  you can call and they come to you each time you ask for help. It's totaly free and each year thousands of big game are not lost thank to those guys , most of them just completely stop to hunt for themselves , and they became 100 % blood hunter with wonderful dogs !

 
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2013, 02:50:00 PM »
Thanks for the explanation Ryan.  So cool and useful.  I'm sure there are a few of us here that are very interested and would consider a Dachshund for ourselves.  

Look forward to your seminar at Compton's this June.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2013, 03:32:00 PM »
Ryan,
Thanks for the dog update, very interesting.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2013, 06:43:00 PM »
Congrat's to Roger as you have taken another nice buck with one of your snuffer's. I had the privilege of spending lots of time with Roger and his family in spring bear camp.I miss those spring day's chasing bears around and doing lots of ATV riding.
Ryan: say hi to your dad from me,I still remember the day the bug spray got you on Roger's bait.
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2013, 07:28:00 PM »
Shaun....great story and pictures...
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2013, 11:58:00 PM »
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Congrat's to Roger as you have taken another nice buck with one of your snuffer's. I had the privilege of spending lots of time with Roger and his family in spring bear camp.I miss those spring day's chasing bears around and doing lots of ATV riding.
Ryan: say hi to your dad from me,I still remember the day the bug spray got you on Roger's bait.
Hi Larry-longtime no speak. I was there that year too when the bug spray got the best of Ryan.
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2013, 08:22:00 AM »
Hey, Big Fish!  I remember something about you and your buddy having a quad race out of the Wildcat Hills in the dark too..

The neck still twinges me once in a while, but fortunately I was unconscious from the bug dope when I hit the ground.  Otherwise it would have been worse.

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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2013, 06:59:00 PM »
Shaun,

What an awesome track.  I'm sure you were just as proud as Mr. Rothhar.  My Chower is from the same line as your's & Ryan's.  He's 100%, but I have only had him on a few tracks.

I bet he and Gretshe would make some pretty little Teckels!  Thanks for sharing!  Hope to come hunt with you again one of these days & bring Chowder next time!
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Re: Blood tracking for Roger Rothaar
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2013, 08:53:00 AM »
very cool - excellent work all ways around - thinking about getting one of these dogs. Looks like one of these among a group of hunters would go a long towards 100% recovery - GREAT buck - 600 yards 40 hours is amazing.
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