Gene and Barry Wensel Defend the 2nd Amendment

[smokin joe]

Good idea, Ken. The NRA will always take a stand to protect the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment, and hunting. If we stand with our fellow shooters and hunters, I believe they will stand with us.

We must remember that the anti-hunting/anti-gun lobby have gone after hunting and arms of various types in the past. They gravitate toward areas where they see weakness and a potential victory for themselves. It is just the "black rifles" this time because that is where they see the possibility of a victory. It is foolish to think that they would not come after bowhunting if they thought they could win and wipe us out.

We must hang together or they will hang us separately.

I have read that there is no evidence that the AR 15 was even used in the school shooting, there seems to be lots of details not being brought forward.  The general media is not to be trusted with any fact finding in the case.  It is an obvious complicity with politicians, the media and Hollywood.

[Rob DiStefano]

this issue of gun control and the esos show hasn't a thing to do with "assault weapons".  not one bit.  none of those "black guns" are sold as fully auto capable, which IS an assault weapon.  i know i'm preaching to the choir here, but an ar15 or m16 or bushmaster or h&k 416 are all the same 5.56mm round military rifles.  but so is a bolt action .300 win mag (that we use for sport hunting), that SEAL chris kyle used to snipe 160 enemy in the middle east.  

the root of this whole affair with gun control is to remove guns - ALL GUNS - from the hands of americans.

it's the politicos and the media that are spearheading this war, and whipping up the sheep (typical bonehead ignorant americans) to do their bidding with gun control protests.  they're coming for us all, for all us sheep dogs who have the guns that will protect the sheep from the wolves - make no mistake about that ...

i just sent a $50 donation to the nra fight fund.

[Terry Green]

Rob....you mean 'Sheeple'.    

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Terry Green:
Rob....you mean 'Sheeple'.      

yessir!!!

[centaur]

My whole working life was spent as a sheepdog; I don't plan on becoming a sheep now that I'm retired.

[ishoot4thrills]

Wow!
The views and comments of the mods and members of this website are yet another of the many great reasons that make me proud to be a member of Tradgang.

Rob, your statements couldn't be more spot on, sir!

[Irish Archer]

I've also heard that the AR-15 was recovered from the back seat of the vehicle that he drove there in.

Only handguns were used in the shooting, from the earliest reports.

So why isn't that info being supported by anyone, anywhere, in the news today?

[Rob DiStefano]

the media reports i heard said he used a bushmaster rifle, which is an ar15.  none of which matters.  he could have walked into the school with a bottle of gas, a rag and a lighter and blew the place to kingdom come.  the point being, there was no viable protection/defense for anyone in sandy hook.

[Irish Archer]

I agree, they want to take ALL guns Rob, but, I know the early reports on tv said that the AR was left in the back seat.

It just seems odd to me now that the RIGHT side isn't speaking of that because the proposed ban of weapons came about as a result of Sandy Hook.

If I ran a right side news agency, I'd speak of it, that's all.

I knew what Obama would do, that's why I didn't vote for him.

[xtrema312]

We have had some small but good news reports locally with our outdoor show going on.  Many supporters of 2nd amendment have been featured with some comments about their support for guns labeled as assault weapons and some comments about the show in PA.  Reports of lots of new NRA members at the show plus reports of stuff flying off the shelves.  Funny the gun lobby has probably pumped years worth of guns, clips, and ammo into the hands of citizens in the last month.

We also had a short report about assault weapons from the point of view of the Kent County sheriff’s department.  The outdoor show is in Grand Rapids and that is Kent County.  They showed police officers shooting an AR based semi auto with some fancy add ons.  They then showed a basic sporting rile taking a clip and shooting the same amo.  They said there really is no difference between the two other than cosmetics. They also stated that they see no issues with “assault rifles” and that they were not a concern about them.  Very pro gun stand.  It was nice to see.

[jsweka]

This is from the CT state police.

** UPDATE **
 
STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES
 
   In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.  

   To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

 

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

 

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

 

#3. Sig-Sauer P226   9mm handgun

 

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:


#4. Izhmash Canta-12   12 gauge Shotgun    (seized from car in parking lot)

 

This case remains under investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance


 


Content Last Modified on 1/23/2013 8:18:21 AM

And here's the link I got it from
 http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

[LC]

I've been following this thread from the begining! I agree and thank those that let it go on. I thank those that had the back bone to stand up for it and feel sorry for those that lost money because of it.

I just have to add a couple things. Keep in mind I work in a public school system and know full well the impacts of this both good and bad. I actually work  mostly in part in the "safe" schools department. I've been in alot of top level meetings where some really stupid ideas have been proposed but sadly putting armed security guards fall low in the list of fixes! Go figure!

First I feel sad they we the american public know more about the details of the Libyan embassy attack then we do about this home front problem. WE THE AMERICAN public deserve and need to know the details about this. It's not like we are waiting on the trail to come about for prosecution! I think we all know why we aren't told the details because like the old saying "don't confuse me with the facts" the present administration and main stream news media says guns, all guns are bad and they must be outlawed. Don't be confused folks this is a all out blitz to take away all guns from the amercian people.

Second simple me I NEVER realized this problem was as simple as our chest thumping politicians think that passing a law that scary black guns with big clips are illegal would fix this problem. Cause we all know that drugs are illegal, drunk driving is illegal,robbing banks, texting while driving is illegal and we now have no more problems with those! Actually PA has had 23 deaths from the flu this year alone. Why don't we just pass a law to make the flu illegal. Don't laugh it's about as sensible as the proposed gun laws are.

Gheez I feel bad. Like my neighbor is saying I'm on may way out but I sure feel bad for my kids and the next generation. America is going to heck in a hand basket and I'm in the basket.

[xtrema312]

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
the media reports i heard said he used a bushmaster rifle, which is an ar15.  none of which matters.  he could have walked into the school with a bottle of gas, a rag and a lighter and blew the place to kingdom come.  the point being, there was no viable protection/defense for anyone in sandy hook.

 

Exactly!  It is not hard to harm relatively defenseless women and children without a gun.  Anyone remember Rwandan? It is beyond me how people can think that making more people defenseless will do anything to stop the evil ones among us.  If anything, it just makes evil people more bold and successful in their twisted doings.

The most devastating losses of life in this country I can recall right off have been from a truck load with fertilizer and some airplanes.  I can’t even bring myself to say some of the things I can think of that would be so easy to do that would be far more  devastating than a gun on a soft target. I fear someone would do one of them.

[jsweka]

Gun control is feel good policy that will have ZERO effect on gun violence and arguably increase it as criminals will have no worries while committing violent crime.

This is a very heated debate at the moment and although I fully support our 2nd amendment rights, we do need to keep emotions in control and and form well thought, calm, and factual responses when discussing this issue.  Just remember, the anti-gun advocates (and anti-hunting advocates) are not the majority in this country and neither are we.  We need to show the middle majority, who have yet to take a side, that law abiding gun owners are not the enemy and not the ones to fear.  We need to avoid emotionally charged arguments in lieu of civilized discussion, give the facts, and share our beliefs and the reasons for those beliefs in a respectful manner.  If the only direct contact a non-gun owner has with a gun owner is a negative experience for them, they're going to vote with the other side.

I think it is great that all sportsmen, regardless of our chosen weapons, are coming together in a united front to protect our rights.  We just need to do it with a calm clear voice and dispel the stereotypes of gun owners the anti's have perpetuated.  -JMHO.

[Irish Archer]

John,

Thanks for that link. Again, the news clip I saw must have been trying to "get the story out first" instead of getting the facts out.

Not suprising. Thanks again.

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Irish Archer:
John,

Thanks for that link. Again, the news clip I saw must have been trying to "get the story out first" instead of getting the facts out.

Not suprising. Thanks again.

that's the "sensationalize at all costs" american media - do whatever it takes to gain audience, attention and revenue.  nothing but useless, truth twisting propagandists.  it's rare to find media that just reports the news without any spin.

[xtrema312]

Originally posted by LC:

 Cause we all know that drugs are illegal, drunk driving are illegal,robbing banks, texting while driving is illegal and we now have no more problems with those!

Wow I just had an epiphany. Do you realize that the evil black box, aka. Smart phone, aka assault phone is responsible for more deaths in this country due to accidents than the assault weapon?  We need assault phone control.  We need to take away all pones with more than the ability to make a phone call. All the added features and added apps on the assault pones just make them more dangerous.  They should all be permitted and you should have to pass a background check to make sure you are not some texting addict or you don’t have some previous conviction of texting while driving or electronic harassment. You should have to carry them in the trunk of your car when you transport them to make sure you can’t access them when driving.   This should be easy to get done given we have no constitutional right to them.  They are not essential to life given back in the dark ages of the 80’s we didn’t even have them.  After all it is all about saving lives isn’t it? So why would we all not want to give up our assault phone because a few people are reckless and kill others because of them?    

[Rob DiStefano]

if you follow the trail to the source(s), you will find it's (nonsense laws) are all about the power, the money and the threat of litigation.  no politico cares about you, they care about whatever it takes to make their lives better, not yours.  so one by one, the freedoms we have enjoyed in the past for us to control our lives and destinies are slipping away under the socialist guise of "protecting lives for the good of all".  such as mandatory motorcycle helmets, tobacco, and swimming only in front of lifeguards at public beaches.  and, of course, restricting black rifles at the reeds exhibits sports/outdoors show.

[KentuckyTJ]

Over 1 million kids killed each year by abortions. It amazes me what our society freaks out about.