Aggressive R/D hybrid longbow appreciation thread

[Nativestranger]

I know what you mean and I agree but for the ease of classification anything that is not straight hill style and anything that does not fit in Rob's thread can be considered aggressive. Otherwise we run into the problem of creating too many categories and it's really confusing.

[The Whittler]

Did I miss it, I didn't see any A&H 3pc and 1pc.

[Cyclic-Rivers]

quote:Originally posted by Chromebuck:


What are others interpretation of aggressive?

       

[FarmerMarley]

Wow, just when I thought this thread was dead...
I actually think the conversation about the classification of bows is quite interesting even though it is arbitrary for the most part.

I notice one of the guys I shoot with always seemed to call my Toelke Whip a "recurve"...too many times for it to be an accident. Apparently, he was unwilling to accept that mild R/D bow as a longbow. When I beat him in the longbow class at the end of the season he still was calling it a recurve...what gives?

I don't really care about what class I'm in at a shoot. I just want to shoot sweet bows that are fast, quiet, and stable. The more different ones I can try the better.

[Over&Under]

quote:Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
 

quote:Originally posted by Chromebuck:


What are others interpretation of aggressive?

           

[Flying Dutchman]

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 

Originally posted by Flying Dutchman:
Sixby,

FITA rules say that when a bow is not D-shaped, it is a recurve. In the past it was the string not touching the limbs. That is also the reason why some bowyers make socalled "cheater bows": heavily reflexed, but limb shape in such a way that you still have a D-form when strung. When I shoot competition tournaments over here, My Cari-bow Peregrine is in the recurve class. But I must say, it gives me more satisfaction to beat the guys in the recurve class with their carbon arra's (I shoot wood) then my fellow longbowers        

Caribow Peregrine in recurve class? That's ridiculous. While speed monsters like whippenstick and 21st century goes undetected and matches up against hill style or string follow bows. The rules need some tweaking as I see it. [/b]

It is ridiculous indeed. I shoot wooden arrows and a hybrid. But since the peregrine is not 100% D-shape, the organisations put me in the recurve-class. At the Dutch national championship, every bow was measured with a thin rope over the limbs. If the rope didn't stay in contact with the limbs  all the way, they put you in the recurve class.
Due to this rule, some people even sell there hybrids, because they want to stay in the longbow class.
They blindly follow IFAA rules. But it is stupid when you think it over. The same bow, but a little bit more reflex; and suddenly you are in the recurve class.
I would say the string not touching the limbs is a better rule. Maybe we should start a new topic about this........

[Flying Dutchman]

Anyhow, in order to make this thread longer, here you see two pics of the profile of a Cari-bow Peregrine. First is unstrung; second is strung:

[Flying Dutchman]

And I sure do like the grip! Thumbstud for a great handposition and Abe's bevertails are second to none!

 

[Flying Dutchman]

And lets not forget the antler options: antler riser and tips...

[Flying Dutchman]

And all this times two can make a man very happy  

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by Flying Dutchman:
 

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
   

Originally posted by Flying Dutchman:
Sixby,

FITA rules say that when a bow is not D-shaped, it is a recurve. In the past it was the string not touching the limbs. That is also the reason why some bowyers make socalled "cheater bows": heavily reflexed, but limb shape in such a way that you still have a D-form when strung. When I shoot competition tournaments over here, My Cari-bow Peregrine is in the recurve class. But I must say, it gives me more satisfaction to beat the guys in the recurve class with their carbon arra's (I shoot wood) then my fellow longbowers          

Caribow Peregrine in recurve class? That's ridiculous. While speed monsters like whippenstick and 21st century goes undetected and matches up against hill style or string follow bows. The rules need some tweaking as I see it. [/b]

It is ridiculous indeed. I shoot wooden arrows and a hybrid. But since the peregrine is not 100% D-shape, the organisations put me in the recurve-class. At the Dutch national championship, every bow was measured with a thin rope over the limbs. If the rope didn't stay in contact with the limbs  all the way, they put you in the recurve class.
Due to this rule, some people even sell there hybrids, because they want to stay in the longbow class.
They blindly follow IFAA rules. But it is stupid when you think it over. The same bow, but a little bit more reflex; and suddenly you are in the recurve class.
I would say the string not touching the limbs is a better rule. Maybe we should start a new topic about this........ [/b]

Lol so bows like the Bodnik quick stick and Black widow with straight limbs when braced are allowed in longbow class? I am also aware there some bows that will change this profile depending on brace height.

Do you compete against traditional recurves or metal riser ones as well?  How do you fare shooting the Peregrine against them?

In my country all traditional bows are grouped under the same class. So we have self bows, Asian horse bows and metal riser + foam carbon limbs recurves competing together.

[azhunter]

X2 on the Black Canyon. Love mine. Grip is perfect, extremely quiet...I mean quiet, smooth and no hand shock, very good speed. This is the first bow I have ever owned that I would not change one single thing. Most bows I can find a little something that is not just perfect about the bow but not this one.

[Flying Dutchman]

Jimmy,

the Bodnik quick stik falls into the recurve class and the BW PL in the Longbow class. According to those silly FITAA rules...

Yes I compete against metal risers as well, like Hoyt gamemasters.
And yes, I fare well shooting against them. Last year I became even first on one tournament. They weren't even close. That feels sooooo good!

Most of the time I am in the top-10. Sometimes 2nd or 3th, sometimes 9th or 10th and everything between, all this with wooden arrows, while THEY shoot carbon.

At the official Dutch National Championship I became 12th in that class, exactly 1 point under number 11. In the Longbowclass I would have become 5th.
I could have done better, but the MS was already knocking at the door and I had to pull it out of my toes. The terrain was very rough, like a wild forrest and swamps and it was two full days.
The second day I was really exhausted. It was since then that I got a bad stroke from MS with paralysations, but I recovered. I am shooting again since a week or two.

[Joeabowhunter]

Originally posted by Flying Dutchman:
Jimmy,


Yes I compete against metal risers as well, like Hoyt gamemasters.
And yes, I fare well shooting against them. Last year I became even first on one tournament. They weren't even close. That feels sooooo good!

Most of the time I am in the top-10. Sometimes 2nd or 3th, sometimes 9th or 10th and everything between, all this with wooden arrows, while THEY shoot carbon.

At the official Dutch National Championship I became 12th in that class, exactly 1 point under number 11. In the Longbowclass I would have become 5th.
I could have done better, but the MS was already knocking at the door and I had to pull it out of my toes. The terrain was very rough, like a wild forrest and swamps and it was two full days.
The second day I was really exhausted. It was since then that I got a bad stroke from MS with paralysations, but I recovered. I am shooting again since a week or two.

     Way to go!!!  Great shooting.  I believe a great archer can do well with any bow but I do like your choice - Cari-bow.

[Flying Dutchman]

When you live in Canada, you'd better like Cari-bow! And Abe is a great guy.

But I like them a lot, for me it are the best hybrids out there. I prefer the Peregrine over a Centaur or Whippenstick hybrid longbow. But that is a personal matter ofcourse. I would say that the craftmanship of both bowyers is on the same high level. And also Ken is a great guy to deal with and gives an unbelievable customer service.

But I DO like the Whippenstick Phoenix. I just might prefer that 3pce recurve over my Peregrines. It shoots even faster and is even more silent. But I have to shoot that bow more to see what gives the best result.

[FarmerMarley]

Those cari-bows look pretty nice!
Keep up the good work competing in those shoots. Forget the silly rules...

[Chromebuck]

AGGRESSIVE R/D:

Black Creek Banshee
 
Dwyer Endeavor
 
Thunderchild
 

Regular R/D:

Silvertip

 
Pronghorn

   
Eaglewing

 

~CB

Okay, now you guys have gone too far.  A few years ago I would have thought that these hybrids were too sensitive to make a good hunting bow. But I was told I was wrong and my wife liked bows that had a lower grip. So I got a custom short draw, 26", NAT for my wife. Not only was it not sensitive, it was also faster with the same arrow at same draw length as a reflexed 64" Hill style bow that was 15 pounds stiffer.  So instead of getting one for myself, I came upon a really nice Grooves Spitfire and declared that to be my lighter draw speedy bow.  Dang it all, I want that hybrid more than ever now and once again there are too many choices.  I want to be able to sit flat on my butt pad lean against a tree and have ground clearance and still have a stable bow.  I notice that the NAT is not in the Lost Creek line up and maybe I should get something different anyway.  What do you all think is the best 54" hybrid at a 26" draw for a Hill shooting style shooter?

[Flying Dutchman]

Welcome, convert!    Your sins from the past are forgiven    

For such a short lenght I would put my money on a Big Jim  54" Thunderchild and talk with Jim about the grip, since you are a Hill-shooter.

I added that for left hand, I have a 26" draw, I have to shoot with my stance a bit open because of a neck thing, so it shortens my draw a bit.