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Author Topic: Whats so great about metal risered bows?  (Read 1152 times)

Offline DesertDude

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2007, 11:25:00 AM »
Hey Bill,  "Perfect"    Thanks.....

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2007, 11:32:00 AM »
It's not what you shoot, its that you shoot and enjoy doing it.
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Offline vermonster13

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2007, 11:32:00 AM »
You know, I have a Shrew, Morrison, Swan Impala(metal riser), Ah&H ACS CX(metal riser), 58 Bear, and Huntrdfk Made self-bow (thanks David will post a thread on that later today)all sitting in the same bow rack and I haven't once heard any of them complain about being together. One of the reasons I like bows so much, they always get along and do what's asked of them so long as I do my part. Each of them is a good shooter and FUN, they're just different and bring different things to the table. Sort of like a group of friends can be different but so much FUN when together.

Shoot what you like, if doesn't have wheels or pulleys then odds are it's traditional enough for me.

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Offline MikeC

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2007, 11:50:00 AM »
Actually todays metal risers are better in all respects when compared to any wood riser.  Other than looks and that is purely opinion everything is better with a metal riser that can be argued.
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Offline BobW

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2007, 11:56:00 AM »
Makes no difference to me if you want to....

In a comparison, I own 4 black-powder guns.  A modern inline, a side lock percussion and two flintlocks.  One of the rock locks is  composite stock, nickle steel, and fiber optic sights.  I love to shoot them all!!!!

My archery collection incluses a longbow, a recurve and a compound (shh, nobody tell!).

I have fun with all of them.  Keep in mind, the more we split ourselves into separate entities, the more we loose our ability to retain our rights as hunters or outdoorsmen.

Embrace each other for being outdoor enthusiasts.  You are all welcome at my campfire.  :campfire:
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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2007, 01:05:00 PM »
Bill, well said.  If any of my comments were taken badly, I apologize.  To me, the difference comes down to asthetics, pure and simple.  Wood for me.
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Offline Rich LaBombard

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2007, 01:13:00 PM »
I only check three archery websites, and as the original question is also posted the other two, could you let me know if I'm missing it on any other sites??

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2007, 02:00:00 PM »
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 it seems to seperate the guys who are serious about the level of their accuracy and equipment perormance from those that have other prorities
Sorry--as on another board, I got this far and my BS meter went off the scale.  I have no problem whatsoever with folks that prefer metal risers--actually have a couple of friends (excellent shots) who like them.  I've shot a few, and at this point and time they aren't for me.    

 
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Some of us like to hit dead center, some of us are happy to cut the line.  
However, to imply that those of us that simply don't care for a metal riser, for whatever reason, have priorities other than accuracy and performance.......that's just bull.  You don't have to take my word for it--check out the top ranked IBO shooters and the hunters on this site--many shoot wood risers.  Then, tell those that don't shoot bows with metal risers how they aren't concerned with accuracy and performance.  Well, nevermind--you already did that.

If you like 'em, shoot 'em.  You don't have to justify your reasons to the world by trying to put down those that don't choose the same equipment.

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2007, 02:18:00 PM »
I been wanting to jump in this one for a couple days and I'am gonna with both feet.The Rx.for today is get your bows right now!!! go outside and take two arrows and call me in the morning.Don't get caught up in the maddness.Just focuse on the target.bd

Offline R H Clark

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2007, 02:38:00 PM »
I am going to answer for others that are like I was 5 months ago.At that time I had shot a couple metal riser bows that shot fine but I loved the look of beautiful wood.I had never heard of ILF limbs and didn't know about their ability to adjust preload and tiller.

To me the metal riser isn't as important as the other aspects of a bow like the DAS.Though I think it wouldn't have the same ability made from anything else.

In the past no one bow would fit every archer because of the difference in draw length,release,and hunting style.The DAS or any bow with the same adjustability will allow an archer to set the limb perload so that the limbs are performing at their best at the archers draw.Being able to adjust tiller an archer can make a bow a little more shootable with different release methods like three under or holding more pressure on one finger.

ILF limbs are IMO and Olympic archers the best in the world.They will shoot very light or heavy arrows very well.You can buy them in a wide range of weights and length at as little as $100 to about $600.I know of at least 4 or 5 sources where you can call with a credit card and have a set of limbs the next week.

I still love the look of a beautiful wood riser but I have been shooting so good since I got my Dalaa I have sold a couple very nice wood bows and bought 3 more metal ILF risers.

Like I said I only post this to let others know my experience.Everyone can shoot whatever they like or as many different bows as they want.Choice is what makes this sport so much fun.

Best to all
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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2007, 02:42:00 PM »
LBR, Bowdoc, you saved me the trouble!  :)

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Offline LBR

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2007, 03:38:00 PM »
Randy, you are one of people I was referring to as liking metal risers and being an excellent shot.  Although I love giving you a hard time, you know I'd never snub you due to the bow you like to shoot.

There's another thing I'll point out.  That comment wasn't just a slap in the face for those that like wood risers, but how about all the selfbow shooters?  Are they/we (I enjoy shooting my selfbow as well as my longbow) even lower on the totem pole concerning accuracy and performance?

You get on a slippery slope, then get stabbed by your own knife.  If adjustable riser shooters are justified in such statements about those os us that like wood risers, then compound shooters are justified in questioning the metal riser recurve shooters about accuracy and performance, then the rifle shooters can question the compounds.  Nice ain't it?

Just what other "concerns" would someone have, if not accuracy and performance?  Making a fashion statement?  Looking more "traditional" than the guy next to you?  Good grief......

Sorry guys--this one got me fired up on another site when I saw it, and it's got me fired up again.

Chad

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2007, 04:33:00 PM »
This is good reading...the wood riser guy is bent because the metal riser guy said something disparaging...normally the other way around.

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2007, 05:22:00 PM »
I think the whole point of my first post was simply to put into context what is going on here....Mr. Hust, IMO, has another agenda. There are many issues that are perpetual on this and other sites....things as simple as "what's the best broadhead"? I always try to answer such queries seriously because I assume the person asking the question is new or is interested in knowing where his decisions line up with others' experiences. Honest questions get honest replies. I also am concerned that some of us get so caught up in the very few things that make us different than the much more numerous ones that unite us. We ALL have more in common as hunters, because we hunt, than we have differences based upon what weapon we choose....even compounds and smoke poles. The day will come when we will all need to lay those differences aside and unite to save our heritage, which is more traditional than the kind of bow or arrow I prefer to shoot.

As to my comment about hitting dead center or cutting the llne, my best attempt at explaining that would be to say that those who try different things and pay attention to the details that make a difference in performance (those who bare shaft, for example) are usually more responsible in their approach to hunting and related issues than those who simply "shoot wood" because it is traditonal. I agree, some of the best shots I know are shooting wood (actually plastic impregnated wood) risered bows. I hope as time goes on that the more common theme would be "what works best" rather than "if I do this will I still be considered traditional"? Or better yet, follow the lead of a Primitive Archer article that basically expressed the idea that if you are serious about shooting better, take a target shooter to lunch. There is nothing wrong with striving for perfection in our shooting, even though perfection, in and of itself, is not reachable. But the attempt to continue to improve, even if it means trying a new bow, arrow material, fletching style, etc., means that we are not complacent in our efforts to get the best out of ourselves and our equipment. Bows and arrows of yesteryear proved themselves adequate for the task. However, that did not stop guys like Bear and Pearson and bowyers of today from attempting to make even better ones....or from Easton and others to make better arrows....even wood arrows come in hex shafts, compressed and laminated whatever.

I love this site. It has comraderie and a "brotherhood" of sorts that's a little different and laid back than others. My post was not an attempt to support the noition that we should all be shooting metal risers. It is just another option that I happen to find exceptional and I want to share my enthusiasm for the concept but I do at all feel or "preach" that YOU have to. Just give us guys that are outside the box the same respect you would like for the excitement you feel about any new idea or product that demonstrably impacts your shooting or hunting success in a positive way. I have a mild resentment for Mr. Hust's comments because on other sites the dicsussions have deteriorated and I didn't want it to happen here.
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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2007, 06:34:00 PM »
Bill,  again "Perfect"
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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 07:07:00 PM »
Despite the efforts of some to herd us all into one big group. I think that it is healthy to have good and open discussion on such issues.There's no reason we can't voice our opinions with some restraint, but support the common cause of bowhunting.

Anything other then a wood, or mostly wood bow, string, quiver, and wood arrows to me is excessive. I don't want a heavy bow, stabilizer, plunger,sights, overdraw, letoff, wheels, cables, clicker, slide bar, nor expanding broadheads. I also don't want a chronograph that mounts on the bow, nor a heat sensor, a lazer, or anything else made in a mechanical shop. I especially don't want a bow with a computer built into it.

That's my opinion. I have no problem with anyone who might not agree. I do have a problem  with anyone who thinks that we have no right to feel that way, and voice our opinions .

Don't worry all you high tech guys shooting with us during "primitive weapons" season. We probably won't try to get a split season.  Haha!

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 07:28:00 PM »
I like them all.I also know none of them are the magic bullet.You still got to shoot them.  :)  Shoot what you like and learn to shoot it well.That is all that matters.jmo
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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 08:06:00 PM »
Bill..excellent follow-up post and great clarification.

James...I agree.  If you want to be a good shot and then advance to being a great shot, get off of the couch and out to the target range.  There is no substitute for practice regardless of what equipemt you choose.

As others have said, and perhaps better than I, the relavancy of traditional archery equipment preference is highly over-rated.  On a personal note, I am much more interested in the ethics and integrity of the people I hunt with than the weapon they choose to use on the hunt itself.

Best wishes to everyone on the season ahead.  I hope we all have great success with our trad bows, whatever those bows may be.

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Re: Whats so great about metal risered bows?
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2007, 08:19:00 PM »
Chad
I don't think I'll ever convert you to metal riser ILF recurves.I don't really want to.I might have to shoot against you and I would just hate to beat you that bad.lol.

However I would like to make a point for anyone that has TRIED one of these bows and that is.It won't have all the benefit UNLESS it is set up for you.That one thing is what for me makes a bow like the DAS a cut above others I have tried.It's like trying a taylor made jacket that belongs to someone else and saying it doesn't fit.I know that is a little extreme but it is as close as I can get to being able to explain the ability to make one of these bows fit you.

LBR,you know I was just kidding.I would hate to see you change your name to RBR or MRRBR it just doesn't have the same ring.

To each his own with the most enjoyment.
Randy

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