A traditional bow in the hand of someone who takes the time to practice and learn to make the bow and arrow as extension of his or her self is a far more superior hunting weapon at 20 yards and in no need to range just pick a spot, anchor, and let we' fly. I will argue this with anyone that disputes it. Have lots of friends that tot training wheels and those stupid horizontal things. As long as someone is ethical, a good steward of the land, responsible, and good hunter who are we to judge? The problem with the horizontal things is that it is an open invitation to slobs joining us in the bow woods, I will say this too just because someone is a "traditional archer" doesn't make them any of te things I listed before, in fact in know a few guys that have no right walking in the woods with a stick bow due to te fact they couldn't hit a freakinf garbage can at 15 yards