Wood arrow question

[Biathlonman]

Never shot wood and know next to nothing about it.  What spine do you think would be recommended for a 62" Toelke Whip, 53@28", drawn about 27.5" with an arrow about 29".  Point weight is negotiable but lets say 125 for discussions sake.  From reading the archives I'm thinking 60-65...does that sound about right?

[NoCams]

Why not get you a test kit from 3 Rivers ? You can get several arrows in each spine weight to try ? Other than that I think you are about right, maybe 65-70 would be better if you have a FF string. Not sure if a Toelke is cut to center or close ? That will make a big diff too.

nocams

[Shawn Leonard]

Yup, agree with above 65-70 would be darn close, I am surre at 29"s with 125 that a 60-65 would be weak. The 65-70 may be a tad weak but that is what ya want bareshafting, cause once fletched it will stiffen the shaft a bit. Shawn

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I don't know what kind of bow that is, but my shrew longbow uses 65-70# 27"BOP w/160grn point & it's 53#@26"

[Shawn Leonard]

Sal, it is a longbow. It does not shoot quite as hard as the Shrews, I would tell him to go to 70-75 if he was shooting 150 grains or so of point weight. Shawn

[Shawn Leonard]

The rule is add ten #s to weight at your draw for a high performance longbow and than 5#s for every inch the shaft is over 28"s, so you would want to add at least 15#s, plus  atda more, so shafts that spine towrds 70#s would or should be perfect. Shawn

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Thanks for the info Shawn

[Shawn Leonard]

Should also say for every 30-40 grains of point weight add another 5#s. Shawn

[SuperK]

I'm with NoCams.  So many variables.   See for yourself which works best.

[cvarcher]

Im going to say 55-60lb. He is under 28 draw so the actual weight of pull is 50-53 for his draw. Thats the spine we need to match.The arrow is 29" so it needs to be beefed up 5 more pounds over the 50-53 bow weight. Of course this is only a guide or starting point and heavy heads or special bow design or even the way he shoots can change this.

[Shawn Leonard]

He is only loosing a pound or a tad more. Ya will be way underspined with CVs advice. Do not trust me go to   www.FoxfireArchery.com   Kelly Petersen developed those charts and he had 50 years into arrows and such. Shawn

[Shawn Leonard]

Does not seem to work go to the sponsor links and click on that link! Shawn

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Kelly\\'s Spine Chart

[Kid]

5 bucks says CVarcher is right. And if not, then 5 bucks says Shawn is right. But I'd start with what CVarcher recommended. I've set up over 5,000 people with wooden shafts in my past, and have only 1-2 times seen a longbow shooter have arrows spined too light, and thousands spined too heavy.

And to make my statement ironic, my slow old flatbow shooting 65 pounds shoots a 75-80 lb shaft the best:-)

[George D. Stout]

You should shoot some.  I don't think you need anywhere near 70#.  I've been shooting traditional bows and wooden arrows for a long time.  The only buggaboo is fastflight strings.  Most "high performance" bows are only that because of no stretch strings.  If you're using fastflight, then maybe 65-70.  Dacron, no more then 60-65.

[joebuck]

Take everyone's most popular advice and buy 3 arrows of that spine, then 3 arrows of spine below and 3 arrows of spine above...TEST...Our string grip is the single most important factor that determine deflection in the arrow...add #5 for glove vs tab in the mediteranian style release... some of us take deep hooks or light index, heavy index, heavy ringer finger.... we are all different..

[Shawn Leonard]

Guys, I have shot and tuned a Whip and I know exactly what I am talking about. I tuned a 52# one and at my draw almost 55#s and it loved 70-75# woodies, that is a 29.5" arrow and 125 grain head, we are not talking a very mild R/D bow here. Shawn

[aromakr]

I've made arrows for several Toelke bows, infact I make Dan's personal arrows. The Toelke bow is cut to center, taking that into account. I would suggest 60-64@28" when cut to 29" BOP they will spine right at 55/59. Dan's personal bow is [email protected] and we use 65/69@28" for him cut to 30 BOP.
Bob

[Shawn Leonard]

Bob, he said he wants a 29" arrow though. Shawn

[Biathlonman]

aromakr, I just bought Mr. Toelke personal bow as he said he had made a new one for himself, so we might actually be talking about the same bow, just with a slightly shorter arrow...so it looks like I should be looking for 60-65, 65-70, and 70-75.

You all don't understand, even that knowledge is a huge help to me, I didn't even know where to start.  I've been reading the archives, but that will only take you so far.