Well everyone these are finished and ready to be shot at anything I feel like for the most part. They would not work out of my osage self bow that I was trying to make these for, but I went and got an osage/fiberglass bow I had made a couple years ago, same poundage and draw length, and these things shot so nice. This bow does have fast flight on it so that helps as well to weaken the shaft. As a matter of fact, I first had the 160 grain points on there for a total of 365 up front and they were too weak for this bow. I changed them to the 145 and bingo. I now have four cane that are EFOC and weigh a lot, to hunt with.