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Author Topic: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?  (Read 359 times)

Offline tracker12

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Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« on: March 24, 2013, 08:43:00 PM »
I recently bought some of the older original Snuffers.  What would be the best choice for an adapter.  I'd like to keep the BH and adapter to a combined weight of 150-175.  By the way what is the weight of the 3 blade Snuffer glue on.
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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2013, 10:09:00 PM »
Depends on how old - the true original heads (pre-Delta, pre-pre Magnus) were all 1 1/2 inch diameter and would be in the 160 gr range without adaptors.  We used the long aluminum adaptors (35-40 grains as I recall) and advertised the heads at 195 grains.  Original heads would be from before 1990.

If Delta or Magnus heads then they could be anywhere from 110 grains on up without adaptors.

Put on a pic and I might be able to tell you something about the age - or if packaged our heads were on the cardboard cards orange and white and had Rothhaar Snuffer on the card.

Best bet is to find someone with a grain scale if not on the original cards.

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2013, 10:10:00 PM »
Oh, and if they are original the only way you'll keep the weight that low is to use swaged arrows or grind the heads smaller/lighter.

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 08:01:00 AM »
Rayn
I'll post a pic when I get a chance.  One other question did you rpoduce a 2 balde snuffer?
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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 11:07:00 AM »
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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 02:30:00 PM »
Yes there was a 2 blade Snuffer.
The heads in your picture look like Delta or Magnus, perhaps 125 gr. Not the original. Lots of different Snuffers over the years.

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 03:40:00 PM »
Ron
Have a history lesson on the Snuffer?  I had no idea it was made by so many different manufacturers.
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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 07:04:00 PM »
Dad started making early Snuffer prototypes in the early 1960's by cutting up Ben Pearson Deadheads and silver soldering back together as 3 blades.  These were called "biscuit cutters" and he made both large and small from the 2 Deadhead sizes.  When he was getting ready to make the straight bladed ones he made a bunch of prototype sizes from 1 inch to 2 inch diameter, probably every 1/4 inch increment, and took them to Colorado where he was hunting in a camp where quite a few mule deer were killed every year.  He handed them out, kept records, and decided the 1 1/2 inch size was best.

Early Snuffers - say from the '70's to mid 80's had a more squared off back vent where the blades meet the ferrule than yours - they are the later rounded style.  They also progressed from a pin in the tip to a cone prior to grinding - the tip insert was several RK harder than the blades for strength.

The head was sold to Delta Industries around 1990 and they made at least a couple sizes.  They also had problems with heat treating and produced a lot of hard heads that were difficult to sharpen.  They made several sizes - for sure 125 and 160 gr without adaptor.  They also made some 2-bladed Snuffers then.

Magnus bought the head probably 1996-1998 and they got a handle on quality control.  They did not make 2 blade Snuffers as far as I'm aware - of course they had their own 2-bladed heads.  Magnus made, I think, 110, 125, 145, and 160 grain heads (without adaptor).  The only difference in these sizes was how much blade was ground off - they all started the same.  By getting down to 125 gr the blades were getting pretty thin.

Magnus quit making them a couple years ago and now Thunder Valley is making the head.

All of the "1st run" Snuffers were black.  We progressed from auto primer black spraypaint by hand to dipping in rustoleum black (I spent many a summer day painting Snuffers in my misspent youth!).  We had a few Teflon coated around 1990, both black and green, I killed a buck with one of these, this was pretty early for Teflon coating broadheads.  We didn't see any advantage to it - actually the coating was more prone to scratch than paint due to the finish.

Occasionally an off-color Snuffer will pop up - we used to sell cosmetic 2nds - uneven weld, uneven grind etc - out of the house for $1 each - sold thousands that way over the years.  These we would hit with auto primer to differentiate from the "1st run" heads - I've seen white, gray, auto red, brown, tan over the years - we just used whatever was laying around.  I think Magnus did this some as well.

I'd say yours look like 145 grain heads to me - don't look thin enough for 125's, but you can see blade width tapering towards the back - look like a 145 profile to me.

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2013, 07:07:00 PM »
Oh, and don't forget the "Baby Snuffer" - he made 5-6 dozen of these by hand back in the early 70's and gave them away to a few folks.  These didn't have a front vent, were around 100 grains, and maybe 1 inch wide (sounds like a Woodsman, eh?   :)  ).  They have a tendency to sell high to collectors when they come up.  Bob Savage in Montana told Dad a year or so ago that he knew where a couple of his originals were stuck in trees in the mountains and for $100 a piece or so that some collector offered for the ones he has left he said he'd hike up and dig them out!

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2013, 07:23:00 PM »
Ryan posted more than I did...and he knows them for sure! His dad Roger made them!
There is another manufacturer.....Thunder Valley is now making the Snuffer.
The ABCC shows 16 versions of the Snuffer starting with The "Biscuit" cutter made from Deadhead blades in 1968.

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Re: Adaptor for Snuffer BH?
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2013, 07:24:00 PM »
Ryan
Thanks a bunch for the information.  Your Dad designed a great BH that has a great reputation as has stood the test of time.
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