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Author Topic: Is 100% clearence practical?  (Read 301 times)

Offline DEP

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Is 100% clearence practical?
« on: March 26, 2013, 01:22:00 PM »
Assuming that 100% clearence of both the rest shelf and plate is possible, is it a practical goal?  

Apparently alot of people live with some "acceptable" contact if their arrows fly true and hit the mark.

More simply asked, when are you done tuning?

Offline ishoot4thrills

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 01:27:00 PM »
If that's the case, then we should all just use plastic vanes.....
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Offline damascusdave

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 01:32:00 PM »
The reason most of us shoot feather fletch is to minimize that last bit of contact...I am done tuning when I start to feel like it is becoming a job...I have worked into shooting higher draw weight bows with heavy arrows and high FOC which makes, in my opinion, having perfect arrow flight a bit less necessary...still going to get good penetration with the sharp VPA Penetrators that I shoot

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Offline ChuckC

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 01:33:00 PM »
Not quite certain where you are going with this. It seems to me that unless your bow is cut WAY past center and you are using some sort of drop away rest, there is no question that you WON'T have 100% clearance, ever, using traditional equipment.

A lot of folks will argue with me on this but I say you are done tuning, quite literally, when you want to be.   You can bare shaft tune to the nth degree, or you can start with a shaft that is close and stick 5" or 5.5" feathers on it and be done.

There is room in this endeavor for all of us and there is no one right answer to many, maybe most of the questions.
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Offline damascusdave

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2013, 01:35:00 PM »
Another thought...even a perfect tune can be messed up with form inconsistencies which is why I like to spend most of my fine tuning time working on my form rather than my equipment

DDave
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Offline will_hunt

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2013, 01:39:00 PM »
The dead animal out in front of you could care less if there is a fractional wiggle in the arrow that has mortally wounded him. Hopefully, this art is more about hunting with traditional equipment than posturing because my group is tighter than yours. Venture to say more MEN and beasts have succumbed to an arrow that had to first wrap around a handle riser then connect down range than have anything else. There are plenty of ways to achieve what you are talking about, they just do not belong here. Ingenuity and patience are victims of technology.

Offline Jeff Strubberg

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 01:45:00 PM »
100% clearance isn't possible unless you use some sort of drop away rest.  Think about it.  Your arrow starts out touching the rest and the side plate.  How can there be zero contact?

If you are getting good arrow flight, you are done.  There's no advantage to chasing down rest or plate contact past the point where the arrow is travelling straight.

Putting it another way, contact will take care of itself.  Tune for good arrow flight and don't worry about it.
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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 01:48:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Jeff Strubberg:
100% clearance isn't possible unless you use some sort of drop away rest.  Think about it.  Your arrow starts out touching the rest and the side plate.  How can there be zero contact?

If you are getting good arrow flight, you are done.  There's no advantage to chasing down rest or plate contact past the point where the arrow is travelling straight.

Putting it another way, contact will take care of itself.  Tune for good arrow flight and don't worry about it.
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Offline FerretWYO

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 02:19:00 PM »
Not possible or practical.

Be careful saying that just because a bow is heavy in draw weight and heavy in FOC flight becomes less important. All the weight will perform poorly in penetration if flight is not true.
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Offline bogeyrider63

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 02:24:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Jeff Strubberg:
100% clearance isn't possible unless you use some sort of drop away rest.  Think about it.  Your arrow starts out touching the rest and the side plate.  How can there be zero contact?

If you are getting good arrow flight, you are done.  There's no advantage to chasing down rest or plate contact past the point where the arrow is travelling straight.

Putting it another way, contact will take care of itself.  Tune for good arrow flight and don't worry about it.
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Offline heydeerman

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 04:01:00 PM »
Not only would you have to be using a drop away rest but also a mechanical release to attempt 100% clearance.

100% clearance not possible but minimal contact is.

Offline Chuck from Texas

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 06:14:00 PM »
100% feather clearance is surely possible. I spray the riser area and rear part of the shaft and feathers with aerosol foot powder, to see where contact is made and from there I can tune it out by a combination of brace height, rotating the arrow noc, the string noc point, brace height,point weight, side plate and rest. If that won't do it I have the wrong arrow.
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Offline LittleBen

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Re: Is 100% clearence practical?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2013, 09:53:00 PM »
I disagree. I have a couple bows ... One in particular is a 64" sinew backed junipers bow, cut almost to center, it'll shoot .400 spine carbons with vanes like darts. I'm pretty sure they clear 100% because no vane damage and broad heads fly well.
This was not on purpose I just said what heck one day and tried me and they worked.
I wouldn't bother tuning a bow to do this unless its just serendipity

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