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Author Topic: George D. Stout & TBM  (Read 713 times)

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George D. Stout & TBM
« on: August 27, 2007, 06:45:00 AM »
I just read George's letter in the latest issue of TBM. I couldn't agree more with his point of view regarding the DAS bow and traditional archery. Thanks for setting the record straight regarding the history of traditional bows.

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 07:07:00 AM »
Couldn't agree more.  The gent who wrote the letter condemning 3R and the DAS Bow was long on wind & short on facts.  I remember the aluminium riser bows back in the 60's & 70's very well.  Somehow, they didn't ruin Traditional archery.

I personally think the DAS Bow is pretty darn cool and I would love to try one. Clearly it's not for everyone, but  I've yet to hear anyone who owns one who doesn't like it.

I've found that thing thing about judging the next guy or his tackle as not Trad is that there's always someone who will judge you in turn.  About the time you think you are the epitome of Trad, some guy who hunts barefoot in a loincloth will condemn you as a clothes wearin' pansie, count on it...
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 07:25:00 AM »
I am with ya on that NDTerminator  just because your set in your ways shouldnt mean others have to be the bad guy because they try something diffrent . some people are self centered in my opinion
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 09:51:00 AM »
George wrote a great response, and I agree. While the DAS bows don't appeal to me, the fact that others enjoy them doesn't bother me at all. I never understood dogging another fella's bow.

By the way, the owner/inventor(his name escapes me) appears to be a brilliant engineer, who could have applied his genius to compounds or crossbows. I for one, appreciate the fact that he has a love and respect for traditional archery.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 09:57:00 AM »
David Sosa is the engineer/creator of the DAS Risers and you are right Roger he could have very easily applied his skills to an entirely different branch of archery and we would have been the poorer for it.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 10:00:00 AM »
Great letter George!  It needed to be said, and published.

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 01:26:00 PM »
I agree. Great response. The only thing I can say about the original letter is, well...everyone's entitled to their opinions (no matter how silly).

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 07:49:00 PM »
Look forward to reading it - George always seems to be a level headed fellow.

Of course...that' if my copy ever gets here!!  :help:

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 08:17:00 PM »
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 08:25:00 PM »
Hmmm. I just got mine today. What the heck am I doing here?

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 09:25:00 PM »
I have an old Proline recurve from the early 70's with a metal riser. I don't shoot it much (prefer my longbow) but I wouldn't part with it. I don't use a lot of the things people class as traditional but I can't be-grudge others.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 09:40:00 PM »
I use carbon arrows on my longbow. I have a GPS tucked into my rustic leather possibles bag. I wear high tech warm boots with my "Trad guy" wool clothes. I'm typing these thoughts on a wireless laptop computer.

DAS bow shooters are as traditional as I am.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 10:06:00 PM »
LOL,,Roger,,
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 11:26:00 PM »
different strokes for different folks. what a dull and boring place this earth would be if we were all just a like....maybe that's why God gave us a brain, guess some just haven't figured out what good use of that gray matter is...

 give'em #$!! George....
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 12:20:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Roger Norris:

DAS bow shooters are as traditional as I am.
Even the ones with "chicken legs"?   :readit:

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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2007, 12:52:00 AM »
Good one George! I'm glad they posted the letters they did.  :)  There was another DAS hater in there, but there were also 2 responses, so it was fair. God bless,
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2007, 01:26:00 AM »
I have never even held a das bow in my hand but I think its pretty pitiful when someone downs another trad shooter because of the material used in there bows what about the guys out there useing wooden bows that have carbon in the limbs ? why is it that one person says ok you have a diffrent bow than mine so you shouldnt be able to shoot in my class of shooters . maybe its denial who knows .
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2007, 03:19:00 AM »
Devil's advocate here.  There's irony in faulting a fellow for suggesting traditional archery should remain, well, traditional. Are they bashing DAS bows?  No.  They are bashing the idea that continuing to modernize and make this sport easier is acceptable.

Imagine my surprise when I purchased the Traditional Bowyer's Bibles only to learn glass bows were "modern" archery. What? I'm not traditional? Those fine fellows sure deserve a good thrashing for suggesting such a thing.

A traditional bow is traditional as long as it's a longbow, a recurve, or some variant of the two.  Oh really.  A 40# bow of today has the cast of a 60# bow of yesterday.  Will a 20# bow of tomorrow have the cast of a 60# bow today?

What is traditional?  Seems to be whatever is acceptable to whomever you're speaking based on whatever their preference is.  Shocking isn't it.  Imagine such a mindset in this day and age.

I think I like Jay Massey's version better. Even if it makes me "modern".  At least I can see the line.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2007, 06:04:00 AM »
George is one of my favorite people. I read everything he writes. That being said;

I agree with Molson on that point. The idea of the DAS metal riser and plinger rest to me is the start of the slippery slope ideal. As George pointed out from the historical perspective, this is all acceptable. History is also repeatable. See what the "gadgets" morphed into before? And really, there's just no reason to have a plunger rest. It's easier to tune the bow for different arrows. No big deal really.
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Re: George D. Stout & TBM
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2007, 07:21:00 AM »
"What is traditional? Seems to be whatever is acceptable to whomever you're speaking based on whatever their preference is. Shocking isn't it. Imagine such a mindset in this day and age."


I don't know what bows you and Biggie shoot, but unless they are self bows with all natural string, you are utilizing the same modern technologies that DAS is.

 
The "I'm more traditional than you" wars crack me up. Who cares?
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