arrow expert tell me if I strike out again

[canuck4570]

last week posted that I had chosen the Easton FMJ 500 for my coming Hoyt buffalo 35#
most of you told me it was to stiff
so made some more research and had to go carbon even if I don't like them sticking in target but to get some descent speed and keeping with the recommended 10 to 12 gr per pound of draw I have chosen the Easton Axis 600 with 125 gr point feathers and all
the total arrow come around 370 gr...
this put it at around 10.50 per pound of draw
since I have a draw length of about 29"
one more thing.... different carbon arrow finish make some easier to pull out
how does the axis rate.... with some lube of corse

so did I strike out again or should this arrow be easy to tune

thanks....canuck

[JamesKerr]

You may have to go up in point weight some to get in tune but I would think the 600 spine would work.

[canuck4570]

thanks Jameskerr

or put arrow longer than 29
or use brass inserts   the 70 to 50 gr sold by 3 rivers
yes?

[Bladepeek]

I picked up some 1716 aluminums for my 33# longbow. With 100gr 17/64 points they come in right at 10.5gr and fly beautifully. They do pull easier than carbons  

[canuck4570]

will check it out
I did and don't you find the .883 spine weak....

[bowhuntingrn]

If you use the arrow lube, they should pull fine. If you don't, and you're shooting field points, give the arrow just a slight twist before pulling. I've found this helps break the bond between the shaft and the foam that is caused by the heat / friction on entry (my experience has been primarily on layered foam targets). An arrow puller can also be a great tool to have around if you're shooting lots of 3D.

[SS Snuffer]

You did good. They will work.

[canuck4570]

one of you stated may be I will need extra weight at the front
the arrow has I figured it will have the steel RPS insert 16 gr. and the 125 tip

is it worth while to buy the brass insert kit which able you to have insert of 70 or 50 gr ?

I think I would rather lengthen the arrow than adding weight
wich one is better....
it seems that a high FOC like SS Snuffer arrow is desirable in TRAD arrows
comments on this would be appreciated.....
thanks
from Canuck who is learning

[Fanto]

canuck


i have a 30lb bow and shoot 600 spine GT ultralights from it they are a bit stiff with 135gr up front, i reckon they would be near perfect at 30" on your 35lb bow which is centreshot, mine is cut before centre, this changes spine requirement by 5lbs per 1/8"

I think youll be fine with the axis 600s, dont cut them, start full length and bareshaft them. if you can get them to work, sweet. if not cut them 1/4 at a time

[canuck4570]

will use this method I found in my search on the subject
 
   

[canuck4570]

one thing I would like to clarify

when you TRAD shooter say I have let sy 200 gr up front does that include the insert?

Black Widow offer s tryout kit of carbon arrows so you can figure out the best spine for your bow. That would be an excellent place to start this process.

[LimBender]

canuck,

First of all, the 4570 is a nice old cartridge.      

My advice is get one bare arrow and play around with it.  There is no magic formula due to so many different bows and draw styles.  You may end up screwing up at least one arrow (but can save it for times where losing an arrow is likely). Not much is gonna beat bare shaft tuning with the bow you intend to shoot (wait till you get it to finish your arrows).  You can get away with a higher spine arrow like a 500 if you go longer and more point weight, as it softens the spine.  But it sounds like you are on the right track.

10.5 gpi seems pretty good, and will give you a little more penetration with the lighter poundage.  I shoot 10-11 or so in heavier bows for hunting.

Please don't use "lube" on your carbon arrows - just pull the suckers out!  Turn the target up if you have to.

Because it sounds like you are new, the last thing I'll say is not too worry too much about getting your arrows perfectly spined - 5" feathers on a 600 will get them flying decent.  When you are first learning your draw style, anchor, and especially draw length are likely to change.  I'd spend more effort learning a consistent draw, anchor and release, then get to building the perfect arrow.

Good luck

[canuck4570]

limbender

yes 4570 is a wonderful caliber, I have a Ruger no1
and shoot cast bullet out of it
casting my own bullet is my second hobby
this caliber with big cast bullet in the 500 gr range is good for big game....

going back to the subject on hand could you tell me why not to lube my arrow
the only explanation I can think of is that it will gum up the resting pad on the bow window....
your advice is taken ..... thank Canuck