effect of micro diameter arrow

[Bladepeek]

I have a real mix of carbons and aluminums and have all pretty well tuned to my bows.

I just recently shot some Axis 400s belonging to a friend as I didn't have my arrows along - just a new bow I wanted to show him. He wanted to try it and got out his Axis 400s, 30" with 145gr field points. I told him they would be way too stiff for my 43# bow, but they flew "straight as an arrow".

OK, so I had to try them. Same thing - like a streak and no sign of "stiff at all.

Can it be the smaller diameter compared to my regular 500 spined carbons and aluminums has the same effect as a bow cut closer to center?

[Biathlonman]

Sounds right to me...

[RecurveRookie]

I have shot my Axis 400s, 29",  with 75 gr. inserts and 100 gr. points from my 59# Recurve, and up to 200 gr. points. from  my 62# Longbow.  They seem to fly good any old way, imho. I think they are great arrows.

[jkm97]

Has anyone tried the Axis Trads?

[Ron Vought]

I started shooting the Beman Centershots and can shoot them in my vintage Bear Kodiaks and Leon Stewart longbows. I cut them to 29" and use the 50 grain brass insert with a 175 grain point. They weight out at 500 grains. I used a bare shaft to tune all these bows and was surprised that a single arrow would work in 9 different bows ranging from #45-50#.

Ron

[TradBrewSC]

I have been shooting a 250 heritage out of a 52 lb Jeffery curve at my draw length with 50 grain inserts and 125 grain points well. But have been thinking about the FMJs. What do u guys think? 500 or 400? I would probably add more weight in the insert up front if I did so FYI.

[TradBrewSC]

I have been shooting a 250 heritage out of a 52 lb Jeffery curve at my draw length with 50 grain inserts and 125 grain points well. But have been thinking about the FMJs. What do u guys think? 500 or 400? I would probably add more weight in the insert up front if I did so FYI.

[johnnyk71]

never thought of the diameter vs. depth of shelf thing, but that makes perfect sense.

[rbcorbitt]

The super micros like the Victory VAP and the Axis Injexion all show a tremendous amount a "flexibility" in being able to handle a wide variety of point weight and draw weights (using 400's on bows pulling 49 - 63# with point weights of 200-300 grains).  All shoot great with no change in impact other than elevation.

[Bladepeek]

My point was that this was a 400 spine arrow with regular insert and 145gr point out of a 43# bow and showed absolutely no signs of "stiff". I was shocked as I have to load the 500 spine arrows down with 200gr points, or heavy inserts to get good flight.

[bowhuntingrn]

My guess is that the 400 would bareshaft a little stiff. I have shot a 500 FMJ cut at about 29 3/8" w/ 50 grain insert and 125gn point out of a 43@28" (28" draw) Omega longbow. Point of impact is on and fletched shafts fly great, but bare shafts definitely have a consistent tail kick right. Been thinking about giving some 145-160 grain points a try just to see what happens. My current setup is Axis Traditional 400 31.5" b.o.p. (from end of insert to groove of nock), using predator 2 half outserts weighted to 78.3 grains and 125 grain tip out of a 53@28 Caddo longbow. They bareshafted very well out to 20 yards (at least to the best of my shooting ability) and will probably be my "go to" shaft this year. All in all I think it's hard to beat the Axis products. The pic below is last year with the FMJ's...3 fletched field points, 3 fletched broadheads, and 3 bareshaft field points at about 16yds.
 

[graybark uk]

I use 400 spine  fmj's out of my 55lb buffalo  cut 29 1/4  ( I draw 28.5 )  with 75gn adapters & 100 ,125 .145 & 175 gn pionts & at  20 yds they bare shaft great ( apart from the drop between weights )  but I settled on the 100gn points for a total of 175 gn up front .
But they do seem to be very forgiving of point weight & draw weight . Brilliant arrows    

[M60gunner]

The 400 spine Axis work great out of my 55lb Wes Wallace with 250 grains up front. The 500 spine work fine also, same weight plus footed. I am saving them for hunting because they penetrate better.

[Hoyt]

I shoot 400 spine MFX Classics out of 47lb Big Foot with 240grs up front and they fly perfect.

[JamesKerr]

Usually a smaller diameter arrow will require a heavier spine because it is not as far from center point as a larger diameter arrow. However that usually does not mean going from one spine shaft to another just a little change in point weight.

[Tedd]

Bladepeek, Nice dog! My wire hair is getting a bit slow and stiff. A bout of lime disease has reduced her enthusiasm.
I've always wondered the same about the diameters being the same as center cut.  How could it not??? If anyone on here ever mentioned it I didn't see it. So to keep from being lectured I just never brought up. There is a heck of a difference between 23/64 wood and a micro diameter carbon.      

[Bladepeek]

She's a cutie and slow isn't always a bad thing. I had an English Setter that I sent to bird dog camp in PA. The guy was supposed to be really good with softer dogs. When we got him back, I took him for a walk (we lived in Bowie, MD at the time). When we came to the corner I stopped and waited for him to sit as he was trained to do and he just stood there. I said "Wow, 2 weeks away from home and you forgot everything I taught you". Then I noticed he wanted to sit, but couldn't. Quick trip to the vet confirmed Lyme disease. Heavy dose of antibiotics cleared it up before any permanent damage and he lived to be 15.

All those wire haired Dachshunds that that same look in their eyes, don't they     You just have to love them!

[Tedd]

[Tedd]

She still rules the area around the house. I picture her with a WWii german trench coat and helmet on constant patrol. Ground hogs, coons, opossums chipmunks, even full grown squirrels have made critical errors. How does a dachshund kill a squirrel?  

[damascusdave]

I think the best thing about the FMJ Axis arrows is the broadhead alignment and fit that is possible with the HIT inserts...I was thinking about switching to arrows that are a little less costly and then gave my head a shake...if it can't be done with one of the FMJ variations it does not need to be done

DDave