Thanks guys, I will stick with em. What do you guys use to get them shaving sharp? I am from Geneva by the way. I was hoping to hear it would work fine. I already know they are tough, i hit a big rock with one when stumping this morning. The tip curled the tiniest bit, i touched it with a stone and back in action again. Still passed the spin test. If that was any other of the heads i shot with my compound, it would have broke. Cheap, tough, and they even match the green glass on my k mag. Matt.