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Author Topic: 250 grains up front?  (Read 1081 times)

Offline Pivo

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250 grains up front?
« on: July 15, 2013, 07:43:00 PM »
How many people are shooting 250 grains up front. Stu's calculator shows them making an arrow very weak. My arrows are at least 31" and I would have to go to a CE 350 or GT 7595 by the calculator from a 53lb bow. thanks

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 07:47:00 PM »
I am at 225 up front for my carbon setup.   I shoot a longbow so I need to lean towards weak spine.  I shoot 50#s @26"

3555s, 29" with 225 up front
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 07:47:00 PM »
I shoot 250 up front on full length gt 55-75 out of my 55# thunderchild and 58# wildhorse creek bow and have no problems at all and im drawing  30" and the hit like a freight train

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 07:51:00 PM »
shooting them on both my GT 55-75, and my CE 250's 29" 55# Widows, they bare shaft perfect for me
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 07:53:00 PM »
I shoot at least that much on most of my carbon setups.  I draw just under 30 inches and in my 50-53# bows I shoot 500s with a 50 grain insert and 200 grain broadhead.  In my 55#-60# bows I shoot 400s with a 50 grain insert and a 250 grain head.

I don't go near as point heavy on my aluminum or wood setups.

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 07:55:00 PM »
There's only one way to find out...screw'em in and shoot.

How long do your arrows need to be?

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 08:05:00 PM »
I shoot a 53lbs longbow with 100 grain inserts, 125 grain tips, and 30 grains of footing with 5575 Gold Tip Traditional's.  I had to cut off just under 1/4" to get them bare-shafting well.  Now my bareshafts, field points, Judo points, small game heads, and broadheads are all going to the same place.

I took the setup out stump shooting with one of my best friends today.  After slaying all the stumps we moved on to hunting for insects.  I killed a butterfly, a red wasp, a dragon fly, and some sort of stinging insect that was about 2.5" long.  There were several other suspected kills but only 4 confirmed.  Here are pictures of the last two confirmed kills, a blue dragonfly and the top half of that big, unidentified stinging insect...
       
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 08:08:00 PM »
I have hesitated posting on this topic in the past, but here goes! Basically going to be trial and error. I am shooting longbows in the lower 50#@28" range and I have 350 gr.(250 gr. point and 100 gr. brass adapter) on an Easton 400. Several have told me that it ain't possible for me to achieve good arrow flight with this combination. I started with a bare shaft 400 @ 29" and standard aluminum adapter. Kept adding point weight, changing adapters until I got as close to perfect flight as I could and that's what I ended up with. Release, of course plays a big part. I had some 75/95s and I had 400 grains on the front of them and still didn't get good flight. Some will say I'm nuts or that I don't know how to tune, but after 25 yrs. of doing this stuff I know what works for me. Good luck! Mike
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 08:08:00 PM »
im shooting 300. 100 grain instert and 200 grain BH. with footing

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 08:17:00 PM »
250 grain points on a 31" .340 ACC (3-60) out of a 50#@29" recurve.  My draw is a hair over 29".

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 08:26:00 PM »
I shoot 250 gr. out of several bows and draw weights.  I have tuned the arrows to different lengths for the different bows.  I tune until the bare shafts fly like darts.
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 08:26:00 PM »
I shoot 250 gr. out of several bows and draw weights.  I have tuned the arrows to different lengths for the different bows.  I tune until the bare shafts fly like darts.
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 08:47:00 PM »
You know I do;).  There's too many variables to consider when using his computations. It'll get you in the ball park and its been useful to me once I figure out the best arrow via trial and error.
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 08:54:00 PM »
100gn brass insert with 300 gn field tip. 400 grains total up front, shooting 51# at my draw.

55/75 gold tip traditionals, bare shaft like darts.

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 09:09:00 PM »
175 tip 50 grain insert 25 grains footing on 3555gt trads at 29 inch 53 @27 all 4 of my recurve bows
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2013, 09:12:00 PM »
I used to shoot 250 up front on my 55-60 cedars.
I was shooting them out of my 63# GN. They shot very well
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2013, 09:31:00 PM »
I shoot a 28" 3555 gt. w/225 gr. up front from a 50# longbow 45# @ my draw.
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2013, 09:42:00 PM »
I shoot with 250 gr. up front: 100 gr. in brass insert alone. I use .500 spine carbon arrows and they fly perfectly. See my specs below in my signature.
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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 10:06:00 PM »
Seems that ~15#'s underspined has personally been the magic value on numerous bows and various arrows of which I have tuned.

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Re: 250 grains up front?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 10:19:00 PM »
Full length GT 55/75's with 260grn. point, plus footing and insert out of a Toelke Whip 46#@28", drawn to 30 1/2".  With all due respect to Stu and his calculator, unless you are lucky and hit the magic numbers with it, the calculator is only a starting point.  There are still many variables that the calculator doesn't take into account.  It's a great place to get started, but don't take the results as gospel.  JMHO.

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