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Author Topic: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff  (Read 233 times)

Offline toby

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Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« on: August 22, 2013, 03:30:00 PM »
I know release and other things can cause this, but is either too stiff or weak more likely to cause it?
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Offline Rick Richard

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 03:36:00 PM »
fishtailing may be a sign of poor arrow clearance.

Offline Mojostick

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »
Try to bareshaft an arrow and find out if too stiff or too weak.

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 03:55:00 PM »
If it is fishtailing as in going both directions I would think clearance or release.

Like Mojo said try bareshaft.
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Offline LittleBen

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 04:33:00 PM »
IIRC fishtailing can be a result of either too stiff or too weak. But I believe it takes a really excessively stiff arrow to cause fishtailing.

Specs on the bow and arrow setup?

Offline Bjorn

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 04:44:00 PM »
Side to side movement is often brace height.

Offline TxAg

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 04:47:00 PM »
I'm no expert but when I experience fishtailing it is because I'm too weak.

Offline r-man

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 05:19:00 PM »
Use paper at 10', which side kicks to first, and which hand do you shoot? what arrow? what draw/ ?  we need this info so we dont guess. as well you may be torking?
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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 03:12:00 AM »
just to complicate things I'd try paper tuning at 5 foot.

Really though, if ya get too far from the paper the fletch starts doing it's job and you'll get false readings...or even worse it could punch the paper after overcorrecting...   :eek:
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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 01:15:00 PM »
Your spine may or may not be correct but even a fletched arrow that is not the correct spine should fly without a lot of fishtailing.  Fletching is very good at stabilizing an arrow.  I would look at your release, follow through, or contact between the arrow or riser.

A good summary of the bare shaft tuning process is in the link...   www.acsbows.com/bareshaftplaning

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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2013, 03:50:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Easykeeper:
Your spine may or may not be correct but even a fletched arrow that is not the correct spine should fly without a lot of fishtailing.  Fletching is very good at stabilizing an arrow.  I would look at your release, follow through, or contact between the arrow or riser.

A good summary of the bare shaft tuning process is in the link...   www.acsbows.com/bareshaftplaning  
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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 08:26:00 PM »
to be honest there are a few things not mentioned here...Long Bow, recurve ...??

arrow length and draw length...draw weight..without this info its impossible to give a good answer...

shooting cedar, alum?? point weight

LB's generally like a slightly lighter spline that draw weight...

a paper shoot is good...but it might be good to make sure you have a proper set up first...tuning an improper match isnt really a good place to start...
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Re: Fishtailing?? Too weak or too stiff
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 11:59:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Bjorn:
Side to side movement is often brace height.
That's what I have always found, as well...
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