bow quiver affecting arrow flight

[Slickhead]

I recently made a few changes to my bow
Added a mini max 3 arrow quiver
New string and different silencers.

Well Im getting some eratic flight
arrow seems to be kicking out (fish tailing) but recovers at a distance.
I removed the quiver and its better
could the quiver be doing it?
I placed it as close to the riser as possible
any ideas?

[BWD]

Never had a problem, if my quiver was attached inside of the limb fades.
Same type/size string and silencers?

When you remove the quiver, does it just get better or does it go away?

[el greco]

I don't thing it is the quiver.I would guess the new string has something to do with it.Perhaps it has too many twists per inch?your nocks are too tight on the string or they pinch the arrow as you pull back?

[Red Beastmaster]

"I would guess the new string has something to do with it."

He said it gets better when he removes the quiver. It's not the string.

I notice a difference between quiver on and quiver off too. I don't know why. It might be because of the lopsided extra weight trying to twist the bow. I'm probably adding torque to the bow by gripping a little tighter.

Doesn't really matter to me, I practice with it on for several weeks before the season starts. One thing I would never do is remove the quiver during a hunt like many do when they get into their stand.

[Sam McMichael]

That is one reason I prefer a back quiver. It never interferes with my ability to shoot well, unless you count that time I dumped my entire quiver of arrows after getting into my ladder stand.

[mountain lion]

I have never had a problem with a bow quiver, but I don't ever take it off my bow. Try it for awhile and see if it gets any better, If it doesn't then take it off.    

[gvdocholiday]

I love the idea of a bow quiver....but when I have it on it gives me a false stiff arrow.  No matter how week of a shaft I use...it reacts stiff.  I've deduced that the extra weight is twisting the bow in my hand while the arrow is still on the string causing it to come out tail low right.  Take it off and I'm back to slight tail high left.

[r-man]

I will never put a quiver on my bow again, cost me some fine bucks, rattling, falling arrows, once is my falt, twice aint going to happen.

[Cryogenic]

I recently had the same problem.  The bow quiver seems to exaggerate my arrow tuning problems.  I found that my arrows were weak, fixed it, and now it shoots great.  I was also shooting cock feather in, and with a bow quiver I have to shoot cock feather out.

[BigJim]

Bow quiver adds mass to the bow. When you shoot, the extra mass deters the bow from moving with the shot thus making arrows act stiff.
 
Bows with more mass or smaller lighter quivers have less affect on arrow flight.

I personally never shoot my bows (almost never) without there being a quiver full of arrows on it. Have never had one fall out or have them rattle while on the bow. If anything, it will make your bow quieter (decent quiver properly installed).
It's all about personal preferance...by the way, if the orientation of your cock feather affects your shooting, your shafts aren't completely tuned.
BigJim

[mahantango]

Listen to Big Jim.

[2fletch]

There are a lot of factors involved with the number of quivers available. Things like weight of the quiver, how it fastens to the bow, how it's located relative to the center of gravity, and others. Not all quivers will behave the same.

Several years ago we did a brief study to determine how much a bow quiver might affect how a bow shoots. The idea was to test our EFA 4 arrow quivers but several competitor's  quivers were included. With two different shooters involved the results were identical. The EFA bow quivers resulted in no change whatsoever at the 12 yard range. Another heavier quiver resulted in no change either, but one other model had a noticable effect with both shooters. At 12 yards the arrow was impacting the target 2 - 2 1/2" to the left for both shooters. This was repeated several times with the same results.

I don't believe that this 3 arrow Mini could affect the arrow flight if installed properly. My guess is that the nocking point or brace height is not correct.

[Mr. fingers]

I'm going to echo what big jim said. A bow quiver will ad weight to the bow absorbing some of the bows energy thus putting less energy to the arrow causing the arrow to be a little stiff. Through paper I get a more consistent tear with no quiver and an occasional slight right tear (stiff) with the quiver But
I actually shoot decently with or without. And actually like the stability the extra weight it provides it may just be a matter of getting use to it.
Other important thing the check is did you buy the same string you had on you bow before or did you get a different kind (same number of strands? Same silencers weight same knocking point? Just the difference between a brass knock point and a tie on can make a big difference.I made all these mistakes last year.
Good luck

[George Vernon]

If the presence of a bow quiver is affecting your arrow flight, think about simple things first.  Since most quivers mount on one side of the bow, it's like hanging a bit of mass out to one side like an outrigger on a canoe or kayak.  If your shooting form has a tendency to 'torque' or twist the bow when you shoot, this extra mass with amplify the twisting motion.  So you may see little evidence of torque when you shoot bare bow, but it becomes much more noticeable with the quiver attached.

Even if you have little or no torque in your shooting form, the weight of a quiver hanging out to the side will introduce torque.  The torque will almost always be in the direction away from your bow arm.  Imagine standing on a ladder looking down at someone shooting a bow.  For a right handed shooter the torque, going away from the arm will be counterclockwise pushing the arrow to the left.  This will give the appearance of the arrow being too stiff.  For a lefty, the torque will be clockwise, and yes, for a lefty this means the arrow will also be too stiff.

I don't think this apparent stiffness has anything to do with the presence of the extra weight added by the quiver and the impact on energy transfer.  Extra weight comes into play after the arrow leaves the string.  The extra weight helps absorb the energy left in the bow limbs.  So the bow is usually quieter and feels more solid and smooth with the added weight.

Bottom line is the arrow will be shooting stiffer with the quiver attached than without.

It won't take much of change to bring the stiffness down.  You can add weight to the front of the arrow, use longer arrows, or increase the brace height of the bow to may the arrow fly 'less stiff'. If your arrows are already cut and you don't have easy access to heavier heads, play with brace height. With spine changes you are trying to correct side to side movement.  Sometimes changing the brace height can impact the height of your nocking point so as you see the side to side movement disappear a little up and down movement may be seen.  So you may have to play with the nock height.  It's an interative process with any bow.

Key is to tune your bow and arrows as you will use them.  The 'tune' for a barebow will not be exactly the same as one loaded with a quiver full of arrows.