idk. but the grouse around here do not hang around like that.i would love to hunt them like that what a blast!! lots of shooting. it seemed there was enough opportunities on the ground i doubt i would even attempt tree shots. maybe cause they are not pressured they are like that? i just know here you get even close they bust out and you never catch one walking around like that. they get real panicky take off. yeah that be funner than big game hunting.. glad you guys enoyed it. im always surfing around youtube looking for cool trad videos to watch.