HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

[TexasKing]

you won't be disappointed, great choice of bowyer...in the meantime you should snag one of the Hill style deals out there to be warming up with! August is a long time to watch for the mailman, but it will be worth it.

[Centex]

My Halfbreed took a sow over Thanksgiving Holidays

[Brianlocal3]

Great job Bill

[BIG GAME]

Great sow Bill, I see that your Hill is a 68".  I have been looking at 70" HHA bows as of late and was wondering what your thoughts are on the difference between a 68" and 70" when it comes to drawing 29-30".  I want to try a Hill again in my weight range but there seems to be more 68" bows out there for sale.

[Centex]

If you're looking for a 70", look up BHall.

I had a 70" Wesley and now a 68" Halfbreed shooting at 29". The 70" was smooth but the 68" feels quicker.  I have a Jet on order that will be 69" on Joels recommendation.

[mike g]

I have 68" Hill and just recently got a 66"
Craig told me there's a 5" per sec difference.

[Stone Knife]

I just received my new 66" Wesley 45# @28 this bow has great cast. I will be posting some pics soon.

[BIG GAME]

So here is a question, I have some gold tip arrows that are full length and when I pull them back on my 64" recurve I am right at my hand with broadhead.  When I adjust my technique to shoot a Hill bow I know I will be losing some draw length but how much?  My funds are tight right now and I really want to shoot a Hill bow this winter, but I don't want to buy something that is not right for me.

[Cavscout9753]

Some lose draw length, some don't. I didn't for whatever reason. I checked and re-checked. Dunno. But draw length will only be a part of the equation for which arrows. In the short time I've shot an ASL one thing I've learned (the hard way, as is my custom) is if you got an ASL at the same poundage as your recurve you will likely need a weaker spine for the ASL. With their center cut being further from center they seem to favor a spine group very close to actual draw weight. Of course arrow material, tip weight, length, etc still affects that, so you'll have to settle one which ASL your looking at, draw weight, arrow type and tip weight preferece before anyone will likely be able to give you an idea (and JUST an idea) of what you'll be looking at for set up.

[BIG GAME]

My original question was not very clear...I am looking at which bow length to choose 70" or 68"
I am looking to spend around $300-$350.00 to practice all winter long.  I don't care what model but I don't want to over bow myself when I am going to be working on form.  Has anyone ever bought a bow just to practice on form and use for stumping, so you can build up to hunting weight?

[Cavscout9753]

Oh, well getting a "form" bow is pretty common. Form bows also make good stumpers, squirrel, etc. bows I would think. As for length I will bow out of that, there are great bowyers and shooters who've been shooting these longer than I've been alive. I could allude to things I've read but there'd be no point. If you have a really long draw a 70" may do better for you but there's factors that go into that which are beyond my experience levels. Someone will be along who knows better than I, but if no one answers you then you can either search this thread, or send a PM to one of the more knowledgable guys here.

I have seen guys start out only losing a half inch going to Hill bows with straight grips at first.  After the form sinks in a bit, the bow arm gets bent a bit more and the body position adapts a more active fluid posture. If I had a 28" draw and was over 6' tall I would shoot a 70" bow.  My son is 6' 2" with a 75" wing span and draws just short of 28", he is the most consistent shot out to 45 yards that I have ever seen on standing targets. I can still beat him on aerials.

[Cavscout9753]

Pavan, where does he anchor? Still corner of the lip? Thats crazy he's so big and only draws under 28". I don't think I have the strength to bow my arm that much, haha. Im pretty new to ASLs so I probably still use (too much?) back tension. I don't lock my arm out but I do open my body up when I settle into the anchor. Perhaps like you said after time my form will settle into something a little different. I admit I don't attempt to emulate anyone(s) form. I just try to do repeatable and fluid.

[mcbowguy]

Finished two HH bows this week for customers.  This one was a 2 piece.  It has a Bubinga riser and bamboo limb core.

 http://nebula.wsimg.com/8f60adeaeea635d283b280b66f4f1e13?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

 http://nebula.wsimg.com/0890452eff830817d62bebffcdbace3a?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[mcbowguy]

Another photo with it put together.  

 http://nebula.wsimg.com/80de96fd56360834f29d71c5e922d4d6?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[Brianlocal3]

Best takedown system out there, put that on an ASL and now you have perfect

[Cavscout9753]

My next one will hopefully be a takedown of this design.

[ron w]

Pretty nice take down!  

[Blaino]

Originally posted by Cavscout9753:
Pavan, where does he anchor? Still corner of the lip? Thats crazy he's so big and only draws under 28". I don't think I have the strength to bow my arm that much, haha. Im pretty new to ASLs so I probably still use (too much?) back tension. I don't lock my arm out but I do open my body up when I settle into the anchor. Perhaps like you said after time my form will settle into something a little different. I admit I don't attempt to emulate anyone(s) form. I just try to do repeatable and fluid.

Juat a little info on shooting with a "Hill Style" if that is what you want to do. So, just take it for what it's worth....

I'm 6'4" with a 78" wing span and draw dead on 28" shooting hill style. Howard was a tall guy and I think he had a 78" wing spans also with a 27" or 28" draw.  I draw 31" when I shoot a recurve with what Hill would call "target style"....

Nate Steele explained it best for me.  The style/form is just like wing shooting with a shotgun. You lean into the shot, swing up, shoot and follow through in one motion.

I won't tell you this is the only way they can be shot because everyone has there own style. But form is form and back tension is still back tension ect...

[BIG GAME]

Blaino, what Hill length works best for you?