Thanks Ron, I'll take you up on that. Brian, I already have to have one, and I haven't even shot one yet. The design just makes sense. That black walnut bow of Rick's just sealed the deal!I have a medium reflex deflex with hickory cores and black walnut veneers and BW riser. It is by far one of my favorite bows to shoot for the simple reason I just shoot it well. It has a feel to the shot I get from no other bow. I don't know if it has anything to do with the walnut, but it sure looks good.I love that manly man dark brown wood.I think a reverse handle Hill style with BW cores and veneers would be the perfect next bow. I only have about 10 bows, whats one more! Help!!