HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

[two4hooking]

Yup, not jumping on anyone in particular....just talking in generalities.  It is nice to see a couple bow pictures every now and then.....but it sees all the time recently.  I hunger for the golden days of the Hill thread when folks would divulge some obscure facet of Hill's form that would benefit all.  Or seeing pics of successful Hill hunts.

[Brianlocal3]

Two4,
I too LOVE seeing the successful hunts, especially since I have not had an opportunity to hunt in the last two years, I mean I do with my children chasing any animal that's deaf and blind with those two bulldozers with me LOL.
I get to live vicariously thru other members.

I do miss watching Khardrunners progress in his search for that perfect Hill form.....

In the good old days I made a post about how at some point the thread had to be more than just about the pretty wood and get around to how one uses a Hill longbow. A rather heated but gentlemanly PM debate between myself and Rob occurred.  I still advocate emulating Hill with a Hill style bow. Certaily everyone will have some of their own quirks mixed in, but the basics of the Hill form still is best starting point. I disagree with locking joints when using a Hill bow with a straight grip, I am a big believer in getting ahold of it and keeping the elbow bent. One of the Hill quirks that I cannot emulate is that Hill quite often had a slight drop in the bow position as he completed his anchor. For those of us that have been shooting Hill longbows since the 60s much of this is old news and info. We are looking for advancements in the art of building and shooting a Hill style bow. That is why I kept mentioning the possible advantages of the reverse handle. some at the time thought that were too udly and did not represent a true Hill longbow. However, if someone, and somone has, can come up with a reverse handled longbow that keeps its performance up and even though the handling may be slightly different, it is an advancement in the process.  This thread started out with pages and pages of people ordering new bows and showing pictures of pretty bows. While my venison chilly is heating up and I am typing as fast as I can, I realize that I should keep my technical problems to myself. I know what I need to do to fix it, I have a local friend that can turn heavy screw in field points to the 190 grain 19/64 od points that I need. I did not need to post it on here and will refrain from such things in the future. time to eat that deer that I shot the other day.

[canopyboy]

pavan,

I thought the arrow post was a nice technical item and just the opposite of what two4 was talking about.  I see no reason to refrain from such posts.  In fact, it is those type of posts that might be useful and interesting to many of us who are just as interested in shooting these bows as we are in acquiring and drooling over them.

Now where's a picture of that deer you're eating?

-Dave

[typical2]

Pavan,

As you talk about advancements, I wonder what advancements Howard Hill would be taking advantage of.  If he were here today I wonder what he would be shooting.  Would he be using carbon or foam in his limbs?  Would he be shooting carbon arrows?  He advanced his bows with the new technology of fiberglass.  How much technology would he have taken advantage of.  R/D bows?  Interesting for me to think about.

[canopyboy]

typ,

I'm no Howard expert, but I can't help but believe he would have tried the new materials available to him.  I think he may have stuck with bamboo cores in his personal bows out an affinity for the material, but would have happily sold bows both ways.  I don't think he would have hesitated to use carbon in his bows.

As for R/D, I think he would have tried them and found them more forgiving than the way he seemed to talk about recurves, but I don't think you would have changed his adherence to the basic Hill style bow.

I haven't made up my mind about where I think he'd stand on carbon arrows.

[Brianlocal3]

Typical,
I often think of the same things. Just from his books I gather he would still shoot straightlimbed bows, and I know he mentioned that shooting wood arrows felt like the true essence of longbows, but I wonder if carbons would have changed his mind??????  
If he felt carbon backing was advantageous I'm sure he would have jumped all over it. Hill was a forward thinker and innovator

[Blaino]

Originally posted by pavan:
I do not understand why I have more spine tolerance right handed than left with nearly identical bows. I want to shoot those 1918s out of my new Morningstar.

Originally posted by Blaino:
pavan- i bet you get a cleaner release right handed.

still my .02

Blaino, I hate to admit to that, but I am pretty certain that you are correct. I just ordered some extra heavy screw in points and I am going to have a friend at a local shop that has the right machinery plane a bit off of them to get to the weight and diameter for all of my 19/64" shafts so they pull out of my target easier and fly more like the broadheads.

[Ric O'Shay]

Originally published and copyrighted in 1975, in John Schulz's book "Hitting 'em Like Howard Hill", page 15 shows a photo of Howard. It is captioned "BEING FLUID..." - EXHIBITION IN JAPAN.  

To me, what is most interesting about the photo is that Howard is shooting a forward handle straight limbed longbow. The bow is at full draw and looks just like Berry's Morning Star at full draw.

Intuitively obvious is the fact that it is not a R/D design, but a straight limbed longbow, straight out of the 1950's. If I had a scanner, I would post the picture. Perhaps someone else can do that for me.

[Bowitis]

I would love to see that. I hope someone will post the pic.

[Brianlocal3]

Your wish is my command, you have two wishes left for the Genie
 

 
 

Last picture caption. Read it.
There must be something good about these reverse handles for Howard to choose to shoot it at the 1st annual Hiward Hill Shoot.

I can say this without reservation.....I am a convert to the reverse handle wholeheartedly. My Morningstar and Northstar are my go to bows

[Bowitis]

Thanks Brian!

[Brianlocal3]

Here is a better pic of it thanks to an email I just received. Thanks Tom.
 

[JDBerry]

Bowitis, thanks for pm, don't know how to E mail back, Thank you...James

WAy back before most of you young guys were born that was the picture that got my blood going.  I had been thinking about selling one of my drag cars and getting a Jack Howard.  I had going back and forth with Jack Howard by letters and he told me that he had a much fancier new model coming. In one of those letters he told me that a Howard Hill was the roughest bow to shoot there was regardless of its length. So I called Ted Ekin and asked him if that was true, then John Schulz told me, "Not if you shoot 'em right". I ordered a reverse Tembo. John wanted to send me a 55 yew, Now finally after over 40 years I am getting that 55 in a reverse or as James calls it a forward. Some of us learn stuff alot slower than others.

[normf]

I heard somewhere that Hill used the reverse handle on some of his trick shots. I don't remember where I heard it, I have a good memory but it's short.

[Rossco7002]

Here's a pic I took at the conclusion of yesterday's hunt. Hunting from the ground I was 7 yards from the biggest deer of my life but the winds of fortune blew in his favour and all I left the woods with was this smile. A great day to be hunting with an ASL!

 

Day break:

 

I'm out again this afternoon! Have a great day everyone!

[Brianlocal3]

Good luck Rossco!!!!!!!! Love the pics, thanks

[Rossco7002]

Thanks Brian! I'm heading out now, hopefully there'll be some Hill style success pics to post this evening! :-)