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Author Topic: The 2013 rutting moon phase  (Read 862 times)

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The 2013 rutting moon phase
« on: October 20, 2013, 07:21:00 AM »
The rutting moon will be late this year, occurring on November 17th. Peak whitetail "tending" behavior has been predicted to occur as late as Nov. 29th for deer north of the 37th Latitude.

For those who rely on this information each year to schedule hunting time, will you be concentrating your efforts in the first two weeks of November (usual time) or pushing your dates back this year? I pushed my vacation time back to Nov. 7-17th this year.

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 07:26:00 AM »
My guess is a long chase period which will make a real fun hunting season. With some does coming into heat early as usual, luckily I can take vacation on short notice!
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 07:27:00 AM »
Good guess, Chad. I hope you're right!

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 10:33:00 AM »
We are hunting that same week i have hi hopes for it

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 11:19:00 AM »
According to the Jeff Murray rut guide ( which I have used for years ) , peak breeding will occur with the new moon on 11/ 3 this year. This will mean the pre rut movement will be a little early this year .
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 11:30:00 AM »
had a 7 point chase a doe right to me friday night.  pretty cool to see!  cold temps are making the young bucks frisky!
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 11:48:00 AM »
It's going too be a good year for sure! One more week and I will finally be in my stand.
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 01:57:00 PM »
According to Charlie Alsheimer's book, "Hunting Whitetails by the Moon"...

Mr. Alsheimer's "Predicting the Future" chart on page 217, lists this year (2013) as an "odd-ball" year... The Pre-rut moon occurded Sept,21st, 2 days BEFORE the Autumnal equinox (as appossed to after,as normal) making the rutting moon, Oct.19th this year. (VERY EARLY) Numerous "rut suppresants" such as weather & temperature, can GREATLY effect this. Causing the rutting moon to actualy be the NEXT full moon in Nov. and throwing everything back a month. What Mr. Alsheimer describes for these "odd-ball" years, is a "trical rut" which starts early, and runs late. However, without the "full-blown" intensity..... I know I have seen alot of activity here in N.Y. The woods are all tore up, and the bucks are on the move!!!

Either way... It's a "home run" for me!!!!! I'm on vacation every other week, till the end of Nov.!!!!!   :bigsmyl:
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2013, 03:06:00 PM »
seeing a lot of activity now in nj

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2013, 03:39:00 PM »
I'm takin my vacation somewhere between Nov 1 and Nov 16, it is adjustable, so I may pick the coolest weather week! LOL
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2013, 06:20:00 PM »
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Originally posted by woodchucker:
According to Charlie Alsheimer's book, "Hunting Whitetails by the Moon"...

Mr. Alsheimer's "Predicting the Future" chart on page 217, lists this year (2013) as an "odd-ball" year... The Pre-rut moon occurded Sept,21st, 2 days BEFORE the Autumnal equinox (as appossed to after,as normal) making the rutting moon, Oct.19th this year. (VERY EARLY) Numerous "rut suppresants" such as weather & temperature, can GREATLY effect this. Causing the rutting moon to actualy be the NEXT full moon in Nov. and throwing everything back a month. What Mr. Alsheimer describes for these "odd-ball" years, is a "trical rut" which starts early, and runs late. However, without the "full-blown" intensity..... I know I have seen alot of activity here in N.Y. The woods are all tore up, and the bucks are on the move!!!

Either way... It's a "home run" for me!!!!! I'm on vacation every other week, till the end of Nov.!!!!!    :bigsmyl:  
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2013, 06:39:00 PM »
But I thought it was the second week of November according to some experts no matter what.    :eek:   This is what I was alluding to in another thread, the early activity and the screwy moon phases.  Guess 25 plus years of hunting white tails don't lend to anything    :saywhat:
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2013, 06:44:00 PM »
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But I thought it was the second week of November according to some experts no matter what.     :eek:    This is what I was alluding to in another thread, the early activity and the screwy moon phases.  Guess 25 plus years of hunting white tails don't lend to anything     :saywhat:  
According to Alsheimer,  the hunter's moon is Nov. 17th. Either way, November will be a great time to be in the woods!

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2013, 06:51:00 PM »
I meant that Charlie seems to be predicting an early rut and possibly a long drawn out rut or am I reading all this along with the moon phases wrong?  I thought it would be an early or late rut just by what the moon phases are this year, but was told the second week of November no matter what. Last time I saw these moon phases I shot my best two bucks 11/2 and 11/4 and the rutting activity seemed early those years. Either way I will be off from November 8 until the end of the month!
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2013, 07:50:00 PM »
What About the "Oddball Years?"

"In previous chapters,I discussed the fact that there are 2 years between now and 2020 that don't fit my definition for the pre-rut and rutting moons,which are the first and second moons after the autumn equinox. Those 2 oddball years are 2005 and 2013. In 2005,the pre-rut moon will occur Sept.19,four days before the Autumn equinox. That means the rutting moon will occur Oct.17. In 2013 the pre-rut moon will occur Sept.21,two days before the Autumn equinox,causing the rutting moon to occur Oct.19.

Currently,we don't have adequate data on years when this occurs,because we didn't start getting good data untill 1995. The last time there were years like 2005 and 2013 was 1986 and 1994. The year 1986 is so long ago and we have nothing to go by. However, for 1994,I've come up with enough journal and photography information to know I witnessed and photographed a heavy amount of buck rutting activity the last week in October and also photographed breeding before Nov.1. Because the pre-rut moon for both these years falls so close to the autumnal equinox,I believe the rutting/breeding activity associated with the pre-rut moon will follow the pattern we've seen to date.

However,there is a possibility,especialy in 2005,that everything could be thrown back one month,causing the chase phase and breeding window to occur in mid-to late November and carry over into early December,similar to the way it did in 1997. Only time will tell."

As Mr. Alsheimer says... The full moon so close to the Autumn equinox(although actualy before) could act as a "pre-rut" moon, explaining the early rutting behavior many of us have been witnessing.....

Either way, I plan on being in the woods LOT!!!!!    :bigsmyl:
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2013, 08:52:00 PM »
Woodchuck is way more knowledgeable on this than me, but here is the basics. When you locate the Autumnal Equinox each year, the second full moon following the A.E. moon cycle is the full moon that initiates the rutting behavior in Whitetails. Alsheimer is involved in a 15 year study of this currently. Very interesting stuff.

 http://charliealsheimer.com/ca/articles/touched.html

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 09:29:00 PM »
Dennis, You are absolutely CORRECT!!! The 1st full moon after the Autumn equinox is the "pre-rut" moon & the 2nd is the "rutting" moon.

However... This year appears to be a "squirrely" year!!! As witnessed by many here on TradGang.  I was just simply trying to point out a "possibility" as to why. As Charlie said, He has documented & photographed early rutting behavior and breeding, yet the possibility exists the "rut" could be thrown back a month as in 1997???

Either way, It looks like a GREAT Season!!!!! Just think, a "Rut" lasting till Early December!!! Bucks on the move for a 2 month period means EVERY weekend could be a good one!!!!! I happen to save all 5 weeks of my vacation for hunting season... But,what about those who can't... Or, worse yet, Don't get any vacation!!!

This would mean that any day or weekend they can manage to get out, has the potential to be memorable!!!!!

Personaly, I find it very interesting. I have found Charlie's predictions to be very accurate so far, however... This is one of those "oddball" years, with alot of early reports of rutting activity going on! I can also remember a few years when the "rut" turned on & off like a light switch... If you didn't happen to get in the woods, You missed it.

As Mr.Alsheimer said... "Only time will tell" GOOD LUCK, Everyone!!!!!
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2013, 10:12:00 PM »
Been keeping journals including night time shining deer for 20 years here in KS.  The peak estrous is virtually the same year to year.

When anyone says the "rut" they need to define it.  If we mean the peak estrous- when 80% of the does are bred- it really is simple to figure.  Look at deer structure and birthing dates in certain areas of the country- they are consistent from year to year.  Gestation is fixed!  That means in a given area the MAJORITY of does were bred (thus in estrous) the same time virtually every year.  With that said there are certainly variables such as pressure, weather fronts, crop harvest, doe-buck ratio. . .  all that affects MOVEMENT- but peak estrous (when most of the does come in) is virtually the same exact time every year- give or take a couple of days.

To zero in on the peak days of November all you need to is watch for the first estrous in the third week of October.  It is amazingly simple by shining deer at night.  I watch various doe family groups feeding all fall.  Then in those magic days of October- you will see a mature buck or two showing up with the doe family groups.  The bucks will be with them for a few days- then poof!  The bucks are gone again.  Now- just plot out 28 days from there and you have peak estrous.  

Peak estrous may NOT be the best time to hunt.  It all depends what you are looking for.  For my NR friends who want to see lots of activity and may be content with that 3 year 125-130ish buck, this peak estrous week can be a great time.  

However, if you want the really mature buck, peak can be pretty difficult.  The Big Boys have the estrous does locked down in some out of the way place. I find the week before peak estrous and the week after are prime for Big mature buck sightings and vulnerability.  I really like that back end week where there are still a few does coming in and the Big Boys are on the prowl looking for them.  Its usually colder, less activity, and you are feeling like you missed it. . . then the bruiser shows up!

I find telling guys this stuff always seems kind of weird for me because I surely am not the guy making money writing books and articles.  And for sure, someone will have a story where it was different for them.  But remember, you could be 400 yds from an estrous doe and think every thing is done, dead, or some "trickle" thing.  While the guy 400 yds over the hill from you is having the greatest day of his life.  YOUR experience in the woods does not define the rut, estrous, gestation, or any other factual evidence.  

The ENTIRE MONTH of November is awesome here in the midwest. Perhaps the moon helps determine "some" feeding patterns- but the estrous is the estrous!  You just have to plan on the peak of estrous then work around that considering variables for movement like weather, crops, etc.

Take it for what it is worth.  Probably 2C.

Oh yea- based on 20 years of watching this- this week should be that first short flurry of estrous.  I will be out shining again!  Let you know what I see. . .    guessing 28 days from October 23rd will be the peak week around here.  

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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 10:22:00 PM »
You hit the nail on the head on this Dan.
 Wildlife biologists take sames from fetuses from car hit does, etc. And the evidence suggests breeding occurs the same time Every year.  Buck activity and intensity varies IMO due to the other variables mentioned in previous posts... but the breeding is very predictable in a given area.
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Re: The 2013 rutting moon phase
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2013, 10:23:00 PM »
You hit the nail on the head on this Dan.
 Wildlife biologists take sames from fetuses from car hit does, etc. And the evidence suggests breeding occurs the same time Every year.  Buck activity and intensity varies IMO due to the other variables mentioned in previous posts... but the breeding is very predictable in a given area.
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