I hear that! dirtybird just got my last tree stand, although I like the lone wolf climbers I had...not a big fan of the hang on, too much work to hang and hunt(I don't leave em up). plus I seem to have so much more fun on the ground, and I like being mobile, and have had some fun stalking deer that were obviously not coming within my range. I actually spotted a doe, and after skirting my effective range...I slowly stalked within 30 yards and double lunger her. that was the most exciting and intense two hours of my life...and after that, I was hooked on the ground game worse than a crack head...I think I have only killed one deer from a stand, all the rest have been from the ground. so for me, it is not really a loss that I no longer own a tree stand. so much more fun and exciting on the ground, plus you have to be a lot more careful with your movement and scent. it just makes you a better hunter. ...did I mention it is more fun too, lol.