Kirkll, that was a different thread. To the Selfbow19953 accuracy comment. This thread is a request for speed. Bare with me. Years ago an archery dealer, me and a farmer were at a shoot. The dealer shot his compound, me a 72# Schulz and the farmer a 50something reverse Hill. At a long antelope shot. We all shot three arrows. We all hit it once. The difference was two of the slow arrows from the reverse were under the antelope, two of mine were just over its back, and the two misses from the compound were gone, must have used the wrong sight pin. When we shot our bows through the local chrono set up, The compound had me beat by 20 fps, I had the reverse beat by about the same. Later the compound dealer tried that reverse and never let it go. He shot a deer with it and swore that no compound ever made could have pulled off the shot he took that killed his buck. How one gets off a shot when things are not a perfect setup has a lot to do with bow design and shooting form. Oh and sticking to the thread. I got 188 with 2018s at my draw, another fellow with a longer draw than mine got a lot more out of my bow, and the 53 pound reverse Hill got 168 with cedars.