We are trying to put and elk hunt together again, this is very interesting. We talked to some of the locals that were successful, several years ago when we tried to put an elk trip together. One wheelie guy was afraid his expandables would fly apart when he went for more pounds to get a faster arrow. No matter what spine shaft he tried,he found that his favorite expany thing had an upper speed limit when he test shot them. So he got Howard Hills and sharpened them exactly like the instructions said. He said that he had never seen anything go down so fast and bleed so much. Must have been a good hit. Another that has shot a few elk with a shorter draw from a 50 something pound Schulz longbow used razor sharp Hunter Heads and got the same results. They both are now using 140 grain Hills for deer and claim them to be all around superior. The wheelie guy still uses a file and is convinced he is right, the longbow shooter buffs his to a razor edge and is convinced he is right. Another recurve shooter uses 4 blade Deltas for deer for the blood trails and uses only two blade Escimoes for elk. It is really interesting that we have so many workable options. I always hear about how tough elk are, all I run across are success stories. I wonder what does not work.