AD trads -one shaft for multiple bows?

[Tedd]

What did I miss??
I talked to the owner a few weeks back and asked him why they aren't 32 1/2" long anymore. He said frustratingly that he's just following the industry where the standard arrow is 32".  He actually has to add a step by cutting them off!  He said a trad shop in colorado or somewhere out west asked for them to be 34". so he was going to do that for them.
He said the big name arrow mfgs won't endorse the tapered design because they don't want to have to pay the patent royalty to make them. The patent runs out in 4 years and he expects other mfgs to jump on board. At that time he expects industry promotion to help his sales.
Interesting.
Note - the shafts from three rivers are .006 straightness. With the forgiving nature of the design you can ignore some grain wt and spine fluctuation easily and some straightness too. A few of the shafts from three rivers were not good enough to put a broadhead on. I think they will fix that.
One cold afternoon I got a little bored and tried to straighten some. And you can do it. I'm sure it's not a good thing to do. It takes a little heat and it's real easy to over do it! I ruined some.
I haven never found a parallel carbon shaft that I could get perfect flight with. if not for AD tapered carbon I would use wood shafts!

[Tedd]

Jeez Terry, are this all kill arrows? I can't afford to let the broadheads on mine!
Wait, yes I can that would be only 2 or 3 per year!
I like to shoot a kill arrow as long as possible until it is lost. I have only been able to get 3 deer on one arrow before losing it. the last time I lost my favorite kill arrow after a re-flecth. I went out to shoot it in the dark had a brain spasm and missed horribly. Gone!

[gringol]

Terry, a draw 29.5" so those are a bit short.  Gary at d&m has me covered.  I'll post an update after I try them.

[bogeyrider63]

Ok i want to try some of these now.
 Do not see them on stu's calculator to run the #'s for my bow's.
Any one have a recommendation on what arrow setup of these would be a good starting point for me? Black widow pch 60" 47@28. stock widow string and i draw 28.5" thanks.
Love my mfx classic's but they quit making them. So i need to find a new arrow.

[JohnnyWayne]

gringol or anyone else if Florida if you are ever at any of the FAA shoots drop me a line and I'll bring some for you to try, they are pretty awesome  

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by bogeyrider63:
Ok i want to try some of these now.
 Do not see them on stu's calculator to run the #'s for my bow's.
Any one have a recommendation on what arrow setup of these would be a good starting point for me? Black widow pch 60" 47@28. stock widow string and i draw 28.5" thanks.
Love my mfx classic's but they quit making them. So i need to find a new arrow.

Trad Lites should work fine....what point weight?

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by Tedd:
Jeez Terry, are this all kill arrows?

Yes Ted, those are some of my kill arrows, like I said, the special kill arrows. Special animals, special shots, or with special people.

 Back in the day, I was afraid they would stop making them, so I stocked up.  Kinda like buying a bow, spent a bunch, but I got enough arrows to last me a lifetime.  Just something I did.  If I ever have to, I can re-use them.  But I'm far from running out.

I will say one was not a kill arrow...or should I say, 'did not recover arrow'...but I was with Chris Surtees on the recovery attempt and Chris was spotting the blood trail like a mad man.  Unfortunately, the hog ran off with the bunch of 30, and as usual, they 'dragged' him into a nasty thicket with little sight range and we lost the blood trail in the dark.  It was at Solana...and with Chris, so I kept it as a memento since he died not long after.

And one other was a non-recover, but a very special hog, and a long tedious stalk in a very special place all by myself.  The hog didn't go far with lots of blood but soon crossed a very wide and deep slough, and I never found the trail after swimming the slough.  It was a very memorable hunt, and I kept the arrow for sentimental reasons.  That hog and I had a few run ins before I finally got the shot.  I think the hog swam down stream a bit, but I gave it all I could including the next day.

The rest of them were all recoveries.

[bogeyrider63]

Originally posted by Terry Green:
 

Originally posted by bogeyrider63:
Ok i want to try some of these now.
 Do not see them on stu's calculator to run the #'s for my bow's.
Any one have a recommendation on what arrow setup of these would be a good starting point for me? Black widow pch 60" 47@28. stock widow string and i draw 28.5" thanks.
Love my mfx classic's but they quit making them. So i need to find a new arrow.

Trad Lites should work fine....what point weight? [/b]

[Terry Green]

bogeyrider63, I was asking what point weight you were shooting....maybe you are asking me what weight you should use....I would say 175 to 225 if I had to guess.

[bogeyrider63]

whoops, did that wrong.  usually 125g point on the mfx classics with the 75g insert.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by gringol:
Terry, a draw 29.5" so those are a bit short.  Gary at d&m has me covered.  I'll post an update after I try them.

I think I have one 30 incher left...I ordered some at that length once for someone and Gary send me a few extras as he knew I loan them out from time to time for folks to try

Let me know.

[bogeyrider63]

yup, i typed the quote button the wrong way. sorry about that.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by TRAP:
They were tough enough for sure.  

The ADs I tried were the wood grain versions.  Terry, I see you seem to prefer the black AD shafts.  Is there a noticeable difference other than color?  

DD

Only a little more weight...I think 20 to 30 grains if I remember correctly.  I also use them (wood grains) when I am hunting deer on properties with hogs.  If I need a different head for a large hog I put the 'big hog head' of my choice on the wood grains, the wood grain makes for easy spotting and switching...plus the added weight of the wood grain wrap doesn't hurt.  I like WWs and the Zwickey No Mercy 4 blades for the bigger hogs.

They are a little hard to pick out on the rack, but there's a few wood grains there.

[bogeyrider63]

thanks, will order some trad lites when i get back from the kzoo show.

[Terry Green]

I know some go to the extent of bare shafting them, weighing them, or spining them to check tolerances....I do none of that...I wrap em, fletch em and shoot them.  The are the biggest no brainers for me.  I do spin test them with Bheads and never have a problem getting to spin true ...sometimes I have to rotate the head a bit, but most times not.  I use epoxy so I can rotate them if I need to before the glue cures.

Here's a little proof in the pudding....

I got into camp about 11:45 one night, I'd been invited to hunt on this particular property that was bowhunting only and everyone else was shooting compounds.  6 of them were shooting big block latex targets that they had staged from 10 to 100 yards.

A couple of them knew I shot trad as I've been long time friends with them, and they asked me to join them after a few minutes of my arrival and a meet and greet.

I grabbed my 64# MOAB and screwed in a judo onto one of my bheaded arrows and their jaws dropped as I made this shot at 100 yards at midnight...

         

The result of that shot were that Jim Reynolds got 6 orders for MOABS the next week and they put me in charge of designing the wood patterns so they were all different.

And now they are wanting to have an "All Trad Hunt" in the future.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by Tedd:
 I have only been able to get 3 deer on one arrow before losing it.  

I got real lucky once....killed 14 deer with the same Z Delta 4 blade...and took that head out of retirement to kill a hog on my bday in TX.  Had to call in a dog for the recovery, and put 2 more Zs in it...but it killed over on the 3rd and I got the head back...retired it again.  Like I said, I got real lucky with that head.

It was one of the rare blue Zs from the 80s.

   

[Gator1]

Great thread terry do you ever use the glue on nick adapters?.

I've got a couple tradlites I'd like to get nock adapters for..

[Danny Rowan]

Mitch,

I sent you a pm. I have some I can send you.

[Terry Green]

Yes...i use nock adapters and Z nocks.

[threeunder]

I took Terry's advice a couple of years ago and ordered some Trad Lites.

I'm a believer...I've not found a more versatile shaft period.  I do believer they fly better if a bow is cut from about 1/8" past center on out.  

I've not had as much success with them out of my bows that are cut 3/16" past center.  Not sure why, and I don't see very many others that have that problem.

I also took Terry's advice and went to nock adapters.  I like the original nocks a lot.  But have broke some when catching a little more than foam on 3-D targets...LOL.

There's just something magical, in my opinion, about a 30" AD Trad Lite with a standard insert and a 200 gr head.  Its amazing how many of my bows that setup flies well from.

Ken