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Author Topic: Penetration issue on squirrels!  (Read 583 times)

Offline bendotwood

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Penetration issue on squirrels!
« on: January 26, 2014, 06:03:00 PM »
Today I had a squirrel shrug off a hit from a 900gr 25% foc arrow tipped with a 275gr field point and adder, shot from a 70# bow.

While I did get a follow up shot in and recover the squirrel, I was baffled as to why it didn't  penetrate more than the field point.

The arrow was a dense spiral flu flu, which I suspect was the issue.

Has anyone else had problems with spiral flu flus lacking the power to take game?  Should I switch to 6 fletch, which go way farther than spirals?
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Offline Rob W.

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2014, 06:13:00 PM »
I thought flu flus were great till I hunted with them.

I like sgt's and my regular arrows. Sometimes footed.
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Offline Duncan

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2014, 06:23:00 PM »
Spirals probably create the most resistance making them slower moving. I use 3 or 4 fletch and trim them to my needs. But mostly I just use my regular fletching
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Offline Slickhead

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2014, 06:36:00 PM »
spirals for arial shots and coolness factor.
Regular fletch for squirrels
May have been part of the problem
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2014, 06:55:00 PM »
4 fletch helical 5" will give enough energy at 30 yards to bowl over any squirrel. They'll carry at least 80-100 yards.
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Offline BowsnLabs

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 06:57:00 PM »
Squirrels are plain tough critters to kill sometimes.  If deer were that tough we'd all be in trouble.

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2014, 07:00:00 PM »
I wouldn't worry about it.  I think the issue is not your fletch, but the fact that squirrels and other small game can "give" and absorb impact in a way a deer won't.

Offline Birdbow

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2014, 07:06:00 PM »
I've had enough squirrels take solid hits with all kinds of blunts/small game heads from my whitetail setup and then escape unrecovered that I won't shoot them with anything but old, ground down broadheads. Hate to lose any animal I shoot. If they were deer sized, we'ld have to hunt them with elephant calibers!
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Offline Stephengiles

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2014, 07:08:00 PM »
I agree with Cootling. Had the same thing happen to me once. Regular fletch from a 55# bow. I shot it off the top of a stump. My theory is it was trying to move and the arrow pushed some. Had to finish it off in the tree. 70# might be too light for squirrels though......sorry had to say it.

Offline Thumper Dunker

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2014, 07:20:00 PM »
Squirrels have real tough hides and soft bodies. What I see a lot is that the arrow hits what's ever behind them and keeps the arrow from going all the way threw them. You want a fast hard hitting arrow for ground squirrels I like adders behind a sharp field point. Adder keeps the arrow in them so I have a handle to drag them out of their holes . Tree squirrels I use broad heads.
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Offline SELFBOW19953

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2014, 07:22:00 PM »
I use 125 gr Snuffer seconds that I bought years ago for squirrel.  Also use my regular fletch.  Flu flu's are noisy and squirrel will dodge them.
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Offline 59Alaskan

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2014, 07:29:00 PM »
Broadheads work.
Squirrel are tough
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2014, 07:53:00 PM »
As Thumper said, Squirrel's are tough. I have hit several and they just run off after recovering from blunts. I shoot my three fletch with old broad heads.
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2014, 08:10:00 PM »
Old broadheads only for me.
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2014, 08:40:00 PM »
I shoot a 3 fletch arrow with full width to them like I was making a flu flu but only put 3 feathers on a 2216. I then take 9mm shell casing and hot glue them to a 125gr field point...I then go around the rim of the casing with tin snips and make a "ninja star" point. It'll kill them suckers!
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Offline Nativestranger

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2014, 04:05:00 AM »
The problem with hitting small and light creatures like birds or squirrels is a slow but heavy arrow tend to push away the animal instead of penetrating them. This is likely made worse by the flu flus. Imagine a 16 ton truck hitting you at 3 mph vs a motorcycle hitting you at 60 mph.
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2014, 04:17:00 AM »
This sums it up ...

 
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2014, 04:26:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by frassettor:
This sums it up ...

     
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Offline Lineman72

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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2014, 06:32:00 AM »
Roflmao!!!
Super squirrel! Good one
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Re: Penetration issue on squirrels!
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2014, 08:42:00 AM »
Lots of good insights here.

But,

Birdbow nailed it on the head, broadhead that is.
I had a really good group going... until I shot the second arrow.

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