With the modern stuff, I never shoot at the same spot under 20 yards. I've robin-hooded too many expensive arrows. I'm trying to go traditional, so it's very inspirational to see you guys doing it the old-fashioned way. I hope to get there some day. I'm just getting frustrated trying to straighten the wooden shafts I got today, my first batch ever (more to learn). I was just impressed that 6 of the 12 were good to go right out of the package, and the sealer is drying on them now.