I went to a friends house today to shoot some arrows. He has a small archery shop in his backyard with a nice range with some 3D targets out back. He has recently starting shooting trad bows and stocks some trad items as well. Last week he shot a Samick Stingray and was so impressed with it that he ordered a few to keep in his store. (He owns and shoots a Black Widow by the way) When I arrived today he was setting one up for himself. We got to playing around with it and boy oh boy did I get a surprise! I shoot a 50lb @ 28 Predator Hunter and at my draw length I get 168 fps with my arrows. Guess what? The Stingray was 5 pounds lighter (45 @ 28) and it threw the same arrow at 160 fps! Not just once but consistently. On top of that, it was the quietest recurve bow with a bare D97 string I have ever heard. My Predator without slincers, limbsavers and Hush Puppies sounds like a 32 cal. pistol being shot. (Well, maybe I did exaggerate a bit but it is a LOT louder.) After he fitted the Stingray with some catwhiskers and limbsavers it sounded like a R/D longbow. That is one sweet bow! It is quick, quiet, points and shoots like a dream! The grip fits me like a glove (I use a med.) plus it is a sharp looking bow. All that AND it is priced less than $230.00! I am impressed! I'm also glad he had 2 of 'em. :rolleyes: Hey, everybody needs a back-up bow, don't they?