Well, I wound up with this bow when Chuck put it up for sale, I wanted to add to what Chuck has already said, that with a 620 gr arrow this is the fastest and hardest hitting bow I have ever owned, and I have had several upper end bows in this weight range, I got it tuned and did quite a bit of shooting the past few evenings. I went to our local range this evening and walked away very pleased, I'm really happy with the shoot ability of this bow, which I think is just standard for a Tip it's been a while since I've had a silver tip, and I forgot how much I like the grip and its also surprisingly quiet ,I like a basic hunting bow , so the black limbs are perfect to me and this bow is anything but basic, Dave W. did a outstanding job with this one , thanks to Mike and Chuck as well