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Author Topic: Wirehair Dauchound  (Read 831 times)

Offline Jerry Russell

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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2014, 08:33:00 AM »
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Yea - well try and find a Bavarian Mountain Hound and the Teckles will seem easy   :)    

But seriously - I think if you get the book by John Jeanneney and work with any puppy that has a nose(hound mix pound puppy) you will have a companion that can do 90% of what most hunters need because you have the dog!!  It is when 5 people have looked for a day or two with grid searches after a rain storm that a true specialist is needed.  If you have a dog you are on the track within hours at the most and any good dog with a nose and some training from puppyhood should save you a lot of grief and heartache.

That was my plan after a 3yr search for a BMH and giving up - it was then that I hit the lotto and Molly fell in my lap(thank you Jerry Russell)
Bob hit it right with this response. Most hunters that just want a dog for their own use would do fine with most hounds and many terrier breeds if they can be on the trail in 2-6 hours. Complex trails with no blood that have aged are were these dogs bred for this challenge come into play. A cold nosed dog that is trained will do things most hunters think impossible including tracking after heavy rains, ignoring non-target animals and "hot" deer and much more.

If you are wanting a dog bred for tracking, DONT GIVE UP. Get on these list and the time will pass before you know it. These breeders want to know that you are serious about something that is very important to them. It took me two years to get my Bavarian Mountain Hound but I know now it was worth the wait x100. A 20 hour old blood trail is child's play to him.

In defense of the breeders of blood dogs from working lines, I will say that what they are looking for is someone that has a history in blood tracking that will work their dogs on MANY lines per year. They are flooded with request for their dogs each year by folks that really only want the dogs for personal use (4-8 tracks per year). These request hit a fever pitch just before deer season. These folk are passionate about game recovery and having their dogs exposed to a ton of lines per year (60-100 tracks). From their perspective it is a bit like a man that builds a custom race car and is hesitant to sell it to a man who only want to park it in a garage.

Regardless of what type of dog you are looking for or if you want a hot nose or cold nose pup, you need the book "Tracking Dog for Finding Wounded Deer. It is an A-Z plan from puppy search to advanced training. I have 30 years experience with blood dogs and the book was still a good read for me.

Just for the record on those focused on the WHD (which are fantastic dogs BTW... Don't overlook smooth haired versions of the breed. There is absolutely no difference in tracking ability between the smooths and the wire haired. Also remember that most every single quality breeder (all breeds) will only have pups in late spring so get on the list now.

Good luck to those that are looking. If I can ever help anyone with training or other matters, just shoot me a PM or email. I love this stuff.

   

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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 05:28:00 PM »
Jerry, I have had the book for years. Tonya is tired of moving it around the house. I like the wirehair dogs because they do not seem to shed hair as much. We have the two small dogs in the house with my heeler.  The heeler is great for the livestock.  I do not have to leave the porch, just send the dog.  I would like to try to train a dog or two to see if I can be successful. There are plenty of does to shoot when not tracking liver drags.
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2014, 07:31:00 PM »
I have also had the book for over 5 years and still read it form time to time but haven't had any luck getting a dog. Many reasons but someday. It also helps people understand different hit scenario's and the reasons we take certain high percentage shots. A wealth of info in the book for sure.
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2014, 10:35:00 PM »
I’ve had 2 WHD for 8 years now, they love to work and are just a blast to work with. I got mine from Andy Bensing in Reading, Pa.  BTW, they are just incredible little dogs and are so much fun to live with.

There is a group called United Blood Trackers that many of the avid trackers participate in and is a wealth of information and rich in contacts.  https://www.unitedbloodtrackers.org/  

If you are thinking of getting a dog and training it, this group would be invaluable as would their annual gathering called TrackFest.

John and Jolanta Jeanneney have written several excellent books on the topic of blood tracking and are quite the team and are truly pioneers in the area.  http://www.born-to-track.com/

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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 12:51:00 AM »
after 2 yrs of being a day late or a $$$ short.. I found a breeder who was selling pups.. and Mom and Pap WHD...

We talked for 2 hrs since he was sold out... He was older and had turned to Lacy Game dogs... aka Blue Lacy dogs...

4 months later// I found a litter near me and reasonable $$$ $400 is much less than a teckel bred dog... But the big thing is we have snakes down in my way... and hogs.. Neither is good for a dog... but will kill a whd or teckel!!!

ablack mouth cur, catahoula... or any cur dog have the nose... but takes a lil more work!!!

Curs are Hard to slow down... BUT MAN WHAT A NOSE!!!
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2014, 08:15:00 AM »
My Tilly is a smooth coat...supposed to be a wirehaired oops!  The Germans call them Scmires...not necessarily a complimentary name  :)   She came out of an earlier John and Jolanta Jeanneney line that they wanted to breed back to even though she was a smooth.  The great thing about her is No Burrs while Cash a wire needs to be picked out...tippit  

PS Ted:  Tilly came from Erie too.

   
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2014, 08:25:00 AM »
Another breed that tracks well is the Boykin spaniel.  Joe(Whip)Lasch's dog as done quite a few successful tracks on deer.  This passed spring I was given one that was a started bird dog.  I'll probably use Hawkins to track as he has a great nose.

Hawkins working a field...

   
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 08:39:00 AM »
What are the opinions of Labs and German Shepard's for this work?
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2014, 09:07:00 AM »
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What are the opinions of Labs and German Shepard's for this work?
Either breed will track well, Roger. The only down side to large breeds is in states where you have to have them on a leash. Here in Ohio they must be on a leash while tracking. Moe weighs about 23 or 24 pounds and pulls like a freight train on a track. I could not imagine being tied to a large bread on a track.
Here is Mojo after a nice snowy track job.
   

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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2014, 09:13:00 AM »
I am gonna guess that any dog that has a nose, by that I mean, not a snub nosed dog, will work in terms of being able to follow the scent.  Some apparently train easier and some are bred to follow scents, while others can be steered that way.

I think the wife's poodle would work out too, way better than we could ever do, if you put in some training time.  

Now, tell me officer, am I really hunting deer with a dog, or just taking FiFi for a walk ?
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2014, 09:19:00 AM »
Moe in camp just waiting patiently to do his job.
 

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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2014, 12:51:00 PM »
I bought a sheperd from a breeder that utilizes them for cadaver and search and rescue dogs. She has had limited tracks but is doing a great job! Found my first deer of the year last night with no problems!

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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2014, 09:18:00 AM »
I have a miniature long haired dachund, very compact but has found 4 deer in the last two years. It came very naturally to her and with little training. Great to have a family pet that can also blood trail.

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2014, 10:40:00 AM »
As others have said, if you are just looking for a dog that can handle your own and your buddies tracks there are lots of breeds that can hold their own.  The specialized breeds are that for a reason - they are probably the best of the best.  But lots of dogs have plenty of nose to be able to handle 90% of the tracks you might encounter.

Here is my Boykin Spaniel Arlo at just over 7 months old.  He definitely has the nose and the drive for this stuff.  I call him "Gruesome" when he gets his nose full of the scent of blood.  My biggest challenge has been learning to read him and understand what he is doing, and trying to keep up with him as he pulls through thickets and blowdowns.  If I let go of the lead he will leave me in the dust!
   
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2014, 04:39:00 PM »
That is a great picture whip!

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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2014, 07:18:00 PM »
On guard duty. She won't leave the deer so I have to put her food and water there. She won't eat or drink anyhow, that would take away a precious second of her deer worshiping.

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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2014, 07:56:00 PM »
I have had the pleasure of watching Arlo do his work. That boy knows his job! What's more he is a pleasure to be around. Just a sweet heart of a dog.
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2014, 09:33:00 PM »
I am still working with my little buddy. He is following blood trails that I lay out in the yard. I hope to get him on some real trails this year.

At 7 lbs I do not have a problem with him dragging me through the woods!   :D

 
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Re: Wirehair Dauchound
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2014, 10:08:00 PM »
I was waiting for you to get on here Benjy with your guard dog errr I mean tracker dog     ;)
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